AG12 - Space Race (Sid)

[LKendter]

Why did we buy iron without coal?

Iron is needed to build factories - something you tend to forget as you usually have a permanent source of iron by then.

 

[Mark1031]

Sorry, should have read your turnlog more carefully. We could gift the Aztecs to aluminum and then buy it with tech. They are of no consequence now. If we can get all our resourses peacefully I would. Unfortunately, we still can't see uranium, I wonder why the AI ignored fission. Well we really need to get our 4-5 core cities up before we need aluminum, at this point I would blow our money on getting this infra up. Outlying cities should be milked for a worker every turn and we should probably hook up German coal as Aggie suggested and buy it.

 

[Aggie]

I agree with gifting the Aztecs to the Modern Age. Logically we should be able to buy Aluminum from them immediately.

 

[Yom]

We have suffered an embarassing space race defeat. Details tomorrow.

 

[microbe]

Sid is not something you can beat every day. I probably will never try it myself.

But you got some 30ish techs from the Great Library. That must be some record.

 

[Aggie]

Wow It's all logical, but I'm interested in the how and what. I'm losing a lot of games lately j/k

 

[microbe]

I think in the future you may want to forbid argricultural AI in the game if you want to try again. In almost all games the runaway AI is always agricultural. It's a nice concept, but too much imbalance there.

EDIT: you did have argricultural AI in this game right?

 

[Yom]

Only the Inca, and they were the first civ eliminated .

 

[Aggie]

What hurt us in this game was the fact that we ended up on an archi map, without having the alphabet. And we spent a long time before realising this. This was a random map, so we initially didn't know how important this was. This fact alone imho already caused the big tech hole. With a curragh or two very early in the game we could have been tech brokers. Manwhile the teh peed was crazy with no less than 4 scientific AI's. We quickly decided (rightly so imho) that we only could survive capturing TGL. We should have taken more units in our first attempt. But that is hindsight. We were also unclucky that the Aztecs owned their continent. That could have been totally different, but the RNG decided that the Inca lost the battle. I don't think that it was the agricultural trait that hurt us here.

I certainly want to give this variant another try (EDIT: but not now ).

 

[Aggie]

But you got some 30ish techs from the Great Library. That must be some record.

This has probably been done before, but it is certainly a record for me. But I got 45 techs, not 30-ish

 

[betazed]

Wow! So we did get the TGL. 45 techs got to be close to a record (if not the record). So something did come out of this game. A record!

 

[Aggie]

Welcome back betazed

 

[betazed]

Welcome back betazed

Thanks.

Just one question. The modern age of the game has stuff that many of us (at least I) have not explored thoroughly. For example, sabotaging production. So I have some questions on that.

Did we have enough cash ever to try this? To sabotage production of other's ss parts, etc? Was there a chance of that? Is that costly?

 

[Aggie]

Sabotaging production may get very costly. You are talking about 5000 gold for a big Space Ship part that is almost finshed. We never had a lot of money, because of the lack of banks and stock exchanges. We also lacked the Intelligence Agency and therefore lacked the spy needed to perform this operation.

I have no clue of the chance of success. But it could be comparable with a tech steal.

 

[Aggie]

Yom, could you post the story of our defeat?

 

[Yom]

I didn't keep a turnlog (and I forgot to save my notes anyway), but I gifted the Aztecs to the Modern age and got us Aluminum. Trading with the Vikings later got us Fission and we had Uranium by Pasargadae. Apollo was just a few turns away and we were about to begin the building of SS parts.

Just for fun, I switched all our builds to MA's and drafted from all our cities and rushed all the MA's. The next turn (after losing), I was able to take Alesund, Hareid, Tyre, and Larsa. That's not the save I uploaded though.

 

[Mark1031]

So close yet so far. Well it was an heroic effort and I learned a lot about Sid. Thanks for a good game guys.

 

[Aggie]

Thanks Yom. I think it is safe to say that if our first attempt would be succeful, that we would have had a decent shot at Space. We played for a TGL capture from 150 BC until 1410 AD.

 

[Greebley]

Good attempt, all. We at least got the library before the end. Ya, it just took too long to get. Having it on a continent owned by one civ made it a very, very tough proposition.

I think I will advocate going straight for a knight (cav is even better) attack in the future when one tries a library assault. A force next to the city to attack means units can attack from the city and thus end their turn in the city and you get a billion units you need to kill. Immortals just don't work with a strong civ.

[Edit: A very good learning game, BTW, even though (or because?) we lost. ]