AI unit numbers during War

Vinz Clortho

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Why do enemy forces greatly outnumber my own, seemingly without apparent cause?

Here's the scenario:

I'm playing the Americans, Warlord level, all victories except conquest shut off. Accelerated production, continetal map, huge, 5 billion years old. I have seven opponets.

It's the year 650AD and the Bablyonians to the south have just declared war on me (without provocation). I am quite powerful with many resources, maybe it's just jealousy. Whatever.

I have about fix or six units stationed in all of my border cities, about six that are directly up against the Babs. Cavalry, musketmen, swordsmen, cannon, and a few scattered longbowmen.

So the Babs start pouring in dozens of units against me of lesser strength. They get slaughtered in their attack and I never lost a single unit. As their reserves begin to form on their own borders, my reserves are coming down from the hills and we manage to keep them in check for a turn or two. But then a turn later they start pouring in dozens of more units... of equal strength! Musketmen, even some riflemen. It's all I can do to repel their forces and though I lost about half my units, they were totally in ruins. I start thinking to myself; "Great, that was bloody, but it looks like we're safe".

Then the next turn the Babs send in literally dozens of more units of equal strength! This time I lose nearly all of my units save one or two per city in the onslaught, and they lose at least 75% of their forces. I have no more reserves to call on, as the rest of my army is stationed to the East, keeping the English army from advancing. We are technologically advanced, making scads of money in a republic, the governers are managing moods, and we are either equal or slightly inferior as culture goes. But even as I'm producing one-four units per turn in the combat zone, the Babylonian forces are massing again and it looks like they'll have dozens of more units coming in the next turn.

How can this be?? Why do they have such a tremendous advantage, with numbers easily outweighing my by a ration of at least 10:1.

What do I do to counter such superhuman production? I have horses, iron, saltpeter, spices, silk... and like I said, tons of money. And yet my forces are pathetic compared to theirs, and it's only 650AD! :cry:

Any suggestions?
 
First of all, welcome to CFC. :)

A few suggestions : -

1) Read the strategy articles in the strategies subforum at the top of this forum. ;) They're written by experienced players and posters.

2) Build more units - and attack them. Occupy their cities; destroy their production centers.

If all you're doing is just sitting around, waiting for them to come at you, you're simply letting the AI to continually building up its forces and send them out to attack you. Remember, you've set accelerated prod on. ;) If you don't want the AI to build units more rapidly, you shldn't set this option on.

It may be a long campaign to take over their cities, but that's what makes Civ interesting.

3) Bribe allies into attacking the Babs. At the very least, they won't ganged up with the Babs against you.

4) If you find them irritating and have no wish to attk them, you can always make peace.
 
Originally posted by Vinz Clortho
What do I do to counter such superhuman production? I have horses, iron, saltpeter, spices, silk... and like I said, tons of money. And yet my forces are pathetic compared to theirs, and it's only 650AD! :cry:

With accelerated production "only 650 AD" is a lot more advanced than it sounds. I don't recommend AP until you have more experience playing the normal game.

You are filthy rich, but why aren't you building military everywhere? Is you empire too small? Are you building wealth? :eek:

Also if you're technologically advanced, you should be upgrading all defenders to riflemen or better.
 
Are you improving your lands properly?

Are you spending too much production on city improvements?

Are you spending too much cash on science?

Are the babs a much more populous nation than you?

The Babs didn't declare war out of jealousy, more likely they sized up your military and found you lacking!
 
Knight-

Thanks. I've been reading quite alot in the war-room and these threads. I was thinking last night right before I had to quit that I ought to be more aggressive with my army intstead of trying to wait until I had unbeatable military superiority. I guess it's true that hesitation causes all your worst fears to come true. From now on (if I don't lose this game) I'll begin a campagin against them before they attack.

Dave-

You're probably right, AP is whats getting me in trouble. I thought that it would give ME the advantage. Perhaps I'm just helping my enemies.
 
Goth-

Compared to those slouches my lands are way advanced. I have lots of workers automated and my country looks like the Borg against the guys from Bonanza. :D

I always upgarde my units ASAP, which is why I really love having tons of cash .


I spend about 50% on science... too much?

I think my city improvements are a little extravagent but then again it seems to help my finances.

Also what puzzles me is the fact that my pop 6 city just flipped to the damn Germans, even though I have two wonders and lot of cultural improvements. Maybe my capital city is too far away or something?
 
Vinz Clortho: Goth? That's 'Lord of Balrogs' to you :lol:

I don't automate workers, or use city goveners.

50% science is alot. Fine for peace time when you already have your defences in order. Not so good for building up forces. Check your military advisor to see how you compare.

I like to build lots of city improvements too, they do help. But maybe leave some for after you have your military up to snuff.

Check out the 'flips' thread for a formula on what factors into culture flips.

Welcome to CFC
 
Ahh, Gothmog. Lord of the Balrogs is a good thing to be ! But I fear the Balrog of Khazad-Dum is going to pay dearly in TTT for pulling Gandalf down into the abyss like that. Damn trailers!

On another note, when I'm playing CIVIII I always name my cities after those in Middle Earth. My capitol is Barad-Dur (Am I deranged for keeping just a tiny thread of hope alive that Sauron will utterly defeat the race of Men? :crazyeye: )

Thanks for the welcome all. This is such a great game, even though it tends to put me into fits of screaming rage. I've actually only won once, and only then because time ran out. But I'm getting better... but I must remember to set the alarm clock at night otherwise I wind up playing till dawn and dragging myself into work looking like Gollum.
:lol:

Cheers!
 
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