Al Gore: Hero or Hypocrite?

[carlosMM]

I call BS on this one. There is simply no friggin way you can prove Al Gore is on some terror top 5 list.

Please quote me where I said he is ona top 5 list. Please do

Hell, I can name 20 people who would probably be higher than him just off the bat, its just common sense.

So? Why don't you do it?

What terrorist in their right mind would care about Al Gore? Hell, Jimmy Carter should/would rate higher than him. If you have proof of such a claim by all means provide it.

I asked to five names. So far I have received one......

By all means even give me some historical proof to back up your claim because for the life of me I cant find an assassination attempt on any Vice President let alone a former one.

Now you#re going down the drain with your logic: just because there was no attempt that YOU KNOW OF says he needs no security?

I can tell you who the possible terrorsits are: extreme right wing Rednecks, e.g., who feel that his stance threatens their right to pollute.

At very small risk comparatively. Certainly not enough to merit a ridiculous claim of being on a terrorist top 5 hitlist. Again, there is just no historical evidence to support such a claim.

AGAIN; where did I say he's on a top 5 list, Mr. MobBoss?

 

[MobBoss]

Nope, I focus on the behaviour of right wing hitmen and the people spreading their lies. if that happens to be you, that's your doing.

Lie? What lie? Is it a lie he just started buying offsets last November? No. Is it a lie to say he has almost a $30k a year energy bill? No. The truth of the matter is more than enough to expose his hypocrisy. Is he moving to change it? Sure...but considering he has been the poster boy for climate issues for years and now an Oscar Winner, one would think he would have gotten those offsets years ago instead of in the last 4 months.

I am not debating you, as I happen to look for facts, not insinuation. If you start bringing the proof for your claims that I have asked for and thus far not gotten, THEN we can have a debate.

I have given facts here which you have deliberatly ignored. Kind of hard to have a debate with someone who wont accept facts surrounding the topic.

 

[MobBoss]

Please quote me where I said he is ona top 5 list. Please do

Thats precisely what you insinuate right here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5153137&postcount=135

So? Why don't you do it?I asked to five names. So far I have received one......

Sure here are five that would be common sense at higher risk than Al Gore.

1. George Bush.
2. Tony Blair.
3. Cheney.
4. Condi Rice
5. Peter Pace.

Pretty much anyone, ANYONE that has a current and active role in the administration or military that is in a high position will be more at risk than Al Gore is.

Now you#re going down the drain with your logic: just because there was no attempt that YOU KNOW OF says he needs no security?

Again, please cite your historical reference to indicate that Al Gore is at risk as a former VP. If you cant then just say you cant and move on.

I can tell you who the possible terrorsits are: extreme right wing Rednecks, e.g., who feel that his stance threatens their right to pollute.

Extreme Right Wing Rednecks? I didnt know they were a terrorist group? Please give me proof that the ERWR exists and is actually a terrorist movement AND any attacks they have performed on former VPs.

Again, if you cant give factual proof I understand completely.

 

[JollyRoger]

Is it a lie to say he has almost a $30k a year energy bill?

It is misleading to throw that number around like it is bad and never address the obvious $187k comparison.

 

[MobBoss]

It is misleading to throw that number around like it is bad and never address the obvious $187k comparison.

We will bring up the $187k comparison if and when the owner of that bill makes a documentary about the environment and global warming.

Again, I could actually care less how much Al Gore spends heating his pool if he were not the poster boy for the greeners.

 

[JollyRoger]

We will bring up the $187k comparison if and when the owner of that bill makes a documentary about the environment and global warming.

Again, I could actually care less how much Al Gore spends heating his pool if he were not the poster boy for the greeners.

But the $187k comparison shows that Gore is consuming $157k less than someone is a similar situation. It actually cuts against your hypocrisy argument.

 

[MobBoss]

But the $187k comparison shows that Gore is consuming $157k less than someone is a similar situation. It actually cuts against your hypocrisy argument.

No it doesnt at all. Not in the least are the two similar. Btw, what was your source for that $187k number? A blog?

 

[JollyRoger]

No it doesnt at all. Not in the least are the two similar. Btw, what was your source for that $187k number? A blog?

How are they so different as to be at a sixfold spread? And the original source of my number is the Bush administration, in their budget request to pay Cheney's electric bill. A newspaper article reporting the budget tussle over the matter can be found earlier in the thread.

 

[Xenocrates]

Someone mentioned Al Gore's security:

Two or more airplanes were all headed reportedly for a crash with Air Force Two carrying Vice President Albert Gore, Jr., as his plane flew over the Chicago area. The incident apparently occurred July 9, 1999, but was kept embargoed, that is, delayed or suppressed, until an eleven paragraph story ran in the Chicago Sun-Times, July 14, 1999.

Some say this was an assassination attempt. JFK jnr was killed by a strange air crash in July 1999. Must have been the fashion of the times.

 

[Smidlee]

How are they so different as to be at a sixfold spread? And the original source of my number is the Bush administration, in their budget request to pay Cheney's electric bill. A newspaper article reporting the budget tussle over the matter can be found earlier in the thread.

I'm sure Bush makes a lot more than those TV preachers but they go around preaching to give when they live in their millions of dollars mansion is a joke.

 

[MobBoss]

How are they so different as to be at a sixfold spread? And the original source of my number is the Bush administration, in their budget request to pay Cheney's electric bill. A newspaper article reporting the budget tussle over the matter can be found earlier in the thread.

Well, it pays to read links. I read the one you gave and here is a part you missed:

Republicans said the idea of shifting responsibility originated in the Clinton administration. They also said that Cheney's electricity consumption was 25 percent less than former Vice President Al Gore's was.

Your hypocrisy is only shadowed by Gores itself. You take Cheney to task over his official VP residence (which is owned by the Navy btw) bill when your very own heros was 25% more. Seems like Al has a ongoing history of big energy bills.

Now thats pwned.

 

[JollyRoger]

See how much progress Gore has made? He has brought his consumption all the way down to $30,000 from over $200,000.

 

[Smidlee]

See how much progress Gore has made? He has brought his consumption all the way down to $30,000 from over $200,000.

Boy; I don't see how he makes it.

 

[MobBoss]

See how much progress Gore has made? He has brought his consumption all the way down to $30,000 from over $200,000.

I can only assume thats only because he is no longer on the taxpayer dime.

 

[carlosMM]

Lie? What lie? Is it a lie he just started buying offsets last November? No. Is it a lie to say he has almost a $30k a year energy bill? No. The truth of the matter is more than enough to expose his hypocrisy. Is he moving to change it? Sure...but considering he has been the poster boy for climate issues for years and now an Oscar Winner, one would think he would have gotten those offsets years ago instead of in the last 4 months.

"But he tells other people how to live and he's not following his own rules."

That is a lie, especially in the context, which insinuates (not only to me, but also to you, given what you posted here) that he is not attempting to reduce his CO2 footprint.

I have given facts here which you have deliberatly ignored. Kind of hard to have a debate with someone who wont accept facts surrounding the topic.

What 'facts' have you given? You quoted a misleading article, and insinuated a lot that you so far - sorry for repeating myself - fail to back up. Please bring proof, then I'll bring mine.

 

[JollyRoger]

I can only assume thats only because he is no longer on the taxpayer dime.

Or that he has greater control of his consumption and methods of reducing it than he did when he was living on government property.

 

[Irish Caesar]

While it's nice to see Mr. Gore using clean energy sources, I would like to know what he does that consumes so much energy in the first place. The speculation from his supporters is nice and all, but really, what's the guy doing that uses so much?

By all means even give me some historical proof to back up your claim because for the life of me I cant find an assassination attempt on any Vice President let alone a former one.

Now you#re going down the drain with your logic: just because there was no attempt that YOU KNOW OF says he needs no security?

Y'all don't read the news?

VP Cheney was targeted in Afghanistan this week...

Some say this was an assassination attempt. JFK jnr was killed by a strange air crash in July 1999. Must have been the fashion of the times.

He was a Kennedy; it's not like his family doesn't have a record with transportation-related deaths in the greater Massachusetts Cape and Islands area.

 

[carlosMM]

Your hypocrisy is only shadowed by Gores itself. You take Cheney to task over his official VP residence (which is owned by the Navy btw) bill when your very own heros was 25% more. Seems like Al has a ongoing history of big energy bills.

Now thats pwned.

What you actually quoted is

Republicans said the idea of shifting responsibility originated in the Clinton administration. They also said that Cheney's electricity consumption was 25 percent less than former Vice President Al Gore's was.

Well, we all know Republicans say a lot if the day is long: Iraq has nukes, Iraq was behind 9/11, Iraq has nerve gas all over, Iraq is a direct threat, Iraq is safer today, Iraq casualties go down, CO2 rise is not caused by humans, CO2 rise does not heat the athmosphere, the ice caps are not melting, tobacco smoke does not cause cancer, evolution does not happen. Them saying it usually means that there is at best a small chance it is true, in my experience. So why don't you bring us the detailed figures (if they dare release them) - you as a US citizen may have right to demand them. Would be interesting - I guess they treat them the way they treat Iraq casualty statistics.

 

[MobBoss]

That is a lie, especially in the context, which insinuates (not only to me, but also to you, given what you posted here) that he is not attempting to reduce his CO2 footprint.

How long has Al Gore been speaking about the environment? Years? He only started his 'attempt' last November according to his own spokesperson. Thus, when taken into context, especially over the last several years, it is not a lie at all, but a very factual statement.

Your 'context' would say Gore isnt a hypocrite since he started paying offsets 4 months ago. Nice try.

What 'facts' have you given? You quoted a misleading article, and insinuated a lot that you so far - sorry for repeating myself - fail to back up. Please bring proof, then I'll bring mine.

I am quoting his OWN spokesperson in that 'misleading' article. Are you saying Gores own spokesperson is being misleading?

I have brought my proof. You, however, have none to offer what-so-evah.

As usual.

 

[carlosMM]

Thats precisely what you insinuate right here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5153137&postcount=135

FALSE, as usual you are intentionally misinterpreting my post. let me quote you again what I REALLY said:

Please name 5 who happen to be on terrorist hitlists

So, can we stop the strawmanning you so enjoy, please?

Sure here are five that would be common sense at higher risk than Al Gore.

1. George Bush.
2. Tony Blair.
3. Cheney.
4. Condi Rice
5. Peter Pace.

Pretty much anyone, ANYONE that has a current and active role in the administration or military that is in a high position will be more at risk than Al Gore is.

Which of those 5 are poeple that Atlas14 knows?

Again, please cite your historical reference to indicate that Al Gore is at risk as a former VP. If you cant then just say you cant and move on.

I will, once YOU finally bring the proof I asked for. So far, you have tried to distract everyone's attention from the fact that you have failed to bring it. I asked first, so you answer first.

Extreme Right Wing Rednecks? I didnt know they were a terrorist group?

Please quote me where I said they were a terrorist group. If you continue to build up strawmen, I can play that game with you.

Please give me proof that the ERWR exists and is actually a terrorist movement AND any attacks they have performed on former VPs.

Where did I claim any of this? Quote, please!

Again, if you cant give factual proof I understand completely.

This goes for you, my friend, as you still can't bring what was asked for, and I DID ask first.