America: Freedom to Fascism

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Mechanicalsalvation said:
Here the ex CIA operative answers some of your questions. She even says she was told in August to stay out of NYC becouse imminent attact was to be expected using hijacked planes to be flown into WTC! Thats pretty strong and detailed warning but Bush never the less claims "we couldnt imagine this"!!!

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The officially debunked theories are being debunked in this vid:

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You've convinced me it must be a conspiracy. Here's a list of all the conspirators who must be involved in the cover up:

http://www.debunking911.com/massivect.htm

Here's Noam Chomsky on why a 911 conspiracy is highly unlikely:


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Is Chomsky somehow in on the take, trying to cover up a conspiracy of the Bush administration?
 
Gary
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All of those sources are phony strawmen and have thoroughly refuted long ago. I will post the sources after I get back from Europe.

Owen Glyndwr
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Since you dont care about any evidence or 911 in general then why are you here?

I'll ask again, why didn't the Showden leak reveal any of this info?
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The verdict on Snowden is still out. Its unclear if he is a whistleblower or a false-flag operation.

Based on what I have seen on these boards, America is going from freedom to fascism because so many of the people applaud it every step of the way.

Takes the wind out of my sails, to be quite honest. No point sticking my neck out to defend your freedom when you won't even defend your own.
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Unfortunately that is very true. All empires ultimately commit suicide.
 
Is Chomsky somehow in on the take, trying to cover up a conspiracy of the Bush administration?
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Its very peculiar that Chomsky has taken such a disingenuous stance on 911. I cant tell if its deliberate or if he has some ulterior agenda. I surmise it could be to protect the New World Order but its not clear either way.
 
SLAAKMAN said:
The verdict on Snowden is still out. Its unclear if he is a whistleblower or a false-flag operation.
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Is there anything or anyone in the world who is not part of the 9/11 conspiracy? You're enormously deluded, SLAAK. I doubt if a psychiatrist could set you straight. :rolleyes:
 
Gary, You can start here-

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http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/
 
Is there anything or anyone in the world who is not part of the 9/11 conspiracy? You're enormously deluded, SLAAK. I doubt if a psychiatrist could set you straight.
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Obviously you dont have military experience or seem to understand what we're dealing with. Do you consider the Holocaust or Stalins Gulags also to be just "conspiiiiiracy theories"? After all how could someone do such horrible things? Nobody would kill their own people would they? Duh. :rolleyes:
 
What if the lies about Iraq and all those other events also were false flag operations? This way, people would repeatedly bring them up to support their 9/11 theories to the point where it makes those theories seem unbelievable.

Wait, maybe 9/11 conspiracy theories are a false flag operation? To distract from the fact that the government was incapable of preventing a terrorist attack?

No wait, that's the plot of a South Park episode. I suppose South Park must be controlled by the government, which forced them to create this episode to make the entire idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories being a false flag operation ridiculous and less credible.

It's amazing how things start to fit together once you stop being brainwashed.
 
I'll stick with Chomsky's views on the matter, a sane voice in crazy times. If any professional engineers, etc. have credible evidence of a conspiracy then bring it to the attention of serious scholarship. So far apparently no one seems to be coming forward in standard peer reviewed journals or other sources and substantiating their claims.

Had the Bush administration wanted to start a war with Iraq using 9/11 as a pretext then they probably would have set it up to blame Iraqis and not Saudis for the hijackings. Makes no sense.
 
SLAAKMAN said:
Obviously you dont have military experience or seem to understand what we're dealing with. Do you consider the Holocaust or Stalins Gulags also to be just "conspiiiiiracy theories"? After all how could someone do such horrible things? Nobody would kill their own people would they? Duh. :rolleyes:
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I don't have military experience but I know of many who do who will not support a 9/11 conspiracy theory.

And no I don't consider the holocaust or the gulags to be conspiracy theories because they have been well documented and exposed.
 
Gary, If any professional engineers, etc. have credible evidence of a conspiracy then bring it to the attention of serious scholarship. So far apparently no one seems to be coming forward in standard peer reviewed journals or other sources and substantiating their claims.
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Stop lying. Youve been over at Hogmutts for too long. Theres multitudes of objective peer reviews-

911research.wtc7.net/reviews/index.html
Reviews

9-11 Research focuses on deconstructing the official story of the 9/11/01 attack. As noted by several articles in its essays section, a major strategy used to defend the official story is to highlight absurdities in some alternative theories and imply that those are representative of all challenges to the official story. Whether intentional or not, productions such as In Plane Site and Loose Change work hand-in-glove with mainstream attacks on the 9/11 Truth movement such as those by the Popular Mechanics and the New York Times. The following reviews critique works purporting to attack the official story, with the intent of separating flimsy, easily debunked claims from substantial ones.
Reviews on 9-11 Research

National Geographic Does 9/11: Another Icon Debased in Service of the Big Lie
Critique of "On Debunking 9/11 Debunking: Examining Dr. David Ray Griffin's Latest Criticism of the NIST World Trade Center Investigation"
Review of 'A New Standard For Deception: The NIST WTC Report' A Presentation by Kevin Ryan
NIST's World Trade Center FAQ
Reply to Protec's A Critical Analysis of the Collapse of WTC Towers 1, 2 & 7 ...
911 Mysteries & Facts
Sifting Through Loose Change
Reviews as Essays
World Trade Center
A Critical Review of James Fetzer's Thinking about "Conspiracy Theories": 9/11 and JFK
A Critical Review of Morgan Reynolds' Why Did the Trade Center Skyscrapers Collapse?
Scientific American's Dishonest Attack On 911Research
Popular Mechanics Attacks Its "9/11 LIES" Straw Man
"Loose Change" An analysis
Building a Better Mirage

Reviews on 9-11 Review

Rick Siegel's 9/11 Eyewitness: Sensationalism and Pseudo-Science
Boulder Weekly Trots Out Morgan Reynolds' Trojan Horse
The New York Times Pegs the 9/11 Truth Movement
Review of TIME's "Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away"
Popular Mechanics' Deceptive Smear Against 9/11 Truth
Mising Logic: A Review of The Missing Wings
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http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/index.html
Essays

Essays by Jim Hoffman
Google Earth Exposes Pentagon Flyover Farce, or, Critiquing PentaCon (Smoking Crack Version)
Thermitic Pyrotechnics in the WTC Made Simple: Three Points of Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe that Anyone Can Understand
Explosives Found in World Trade Center Dust: Scientists Discover Both Residues And Unignited Fragments Of Nano-Engineered Thermitic Pyrotechnics In Debris From the Twin Towers
Wake Up and Smell the Aluminothermic Nanocomposite Explosives: As Documentation of Thermitic Materials in the WTC Twin Towers Grows, Official Story Backers Ignore, Deny, Evade, and Dissemble
A Hypothetical Blasting Scenario: A Plausible Theory Explaining the Controlled Demolition of the Twin Towers Using Aluminothermic Incindiaries and Explosives with Wireless Detonation Means
Seismic Records of the Twin Towers' Destruction ...
Building a Better Mirage: NIST's 3-Year $20,000,000 Cover-Up of the Crime of the Century
ScholarsFor911Truth.org: Muddling the Evidence
A Critical Review of: 'Thinking about "Conspiracy Theories": 9/11 and JFK'
Morgan Reynolds' Encumbered Case for Controlled Demolition
Scientific American's Dishonest Attack On 911Research
Popular Mechanics Attacks Its "9/11 LIES" Straw Man
Popular Mechanics' Assault on 9/11 Truth
(This is an expanded version of the previous article, designed for printing.)
The Pentagon Crash: What the Physical Evidence Shows
The Pentagon No-757-Crash Theory: Booby Trap for 9/11 Skeptics

Essays by 911Research Associates
Discrediting By Association: Undermining the Case for Patriots Who Question 9/11 by Victoria Ashley
Picking Up Where Partridge Leaves Off: Researchers Address a Skeptic by Victoria Ashley and Jim Hoffman
Steven Jones; A Physics Professor Speaks Out on 9-11: Reason, Publicity, and Reaction by Victoria Ashley
Revealed OR Concealed?: A Critical Review of 9/11 Revealed by Victoria Ashley and Jim Hoffman
Where are the 9/11 Whistleblowers? by Gregg Roberts

Guest Essays
Contradictions for Socialists, Progressives & Domestic Covert Ops by Michael B. Green
FBI Frame-up of Bruce E. Ivins Made Simple by Michael B. Green
911 Plotters Bury the Evidence of Anthrax ... by Michael B. Green
Besmirching History: Vincent Bugliosi Assassinates Kennedy Again; The Military and Warren Commission Cover-up by Michael B. Green
"Science, Handmaiden of Inspired Truth" Or, Putting NIST in Perspective by Michael B. Green
"The Assassination of JFK, Jr." Far Right Draws First Blood In The "War on Terror" by Michael B. Green
How They Get Away With It by Michael B. Green
The Company We Keep by Michael B. Green
"Loose Change": An analysis by Michael B. Green
A Critical Review of WTC "No Plane" Theories by Eric Salter
Revisiting the WTC Building Collapses, Part I by Morgan Reynolds
The Psychology of Patriotic Denial by Tova Gabrielle
911 - In Plane Site: A Critical Review by Jeremy Baker
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More from Chomsky on the 911 conspiracy theorists.


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I think 911 conspiracy theorists must live in their own fantasy world. Saw this video where a 9/11 conspiracy theorist accuses Chomsky of being a "gatekeeper" for "Zionist" control of the US or something. We're all being brainwashed and it's the 9/11 "truthers" who will save us. :crazyeye:


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SLAAKMAN said:
No need for paranoid hypotheticals. Just examine the facts.
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What an obvious attempt at diversion. I come up with an exhaustive theory that explains basically everything, and you try to bring facts into the discussion. I hope the readers of this thread are not that easily brainwashed.
 
SLAAKMAN said:
Question for mods - these wannabe's (Joe & Owen) seem to think that they can out-silly yours truly...nobody in the Multiverse can out-silly yours truly....should I do it here or shall I let it rest for another topic?
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Splurge my friend. I'd love to hear why 9/11 was a silly wacky-tacky fun fill experience for all. 2000-and-fun and all that.

Mechanicalsalvation said:
The problem with this American exceptionalism-idiotism is that it can leave large financial and military resources in the hands of some psychopats and sadist while the rest of the country just watches.
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No, American exceptionalism-idiotism is the ability to watch a neo-imperial state invade the Crimea and Donetsk and sit back and praise them. Wow, Putin is such a toughy, I just love way he kills thousands of people because of imaginary lines on a map.

And he's rich and powerful! Putin is literally the most American non-American autocrat of any other country.

You know what this means?

Putin did 9/11.
 
SLAAKMAN said:
Since you dont care about any evidence or 911 in general then why are you here?
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Seeing as you have no interest in actually discussing anything with anybody I'm just here for the free PC.
 
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