American Leader

Not wanting to put down any presidents nominated (except kennady, he really did nothing, he was killed before he had a chance) but Reagan was the man. Uf you are trying to get a leader the represents the nation in it's hey-day (golden age) the why would any early presidents do. A modern day leader is needed. This is why Reagan is my choice.

Also FDR would do. he comes in a close second IMHO.
 
I think Lincoln was a great choice. Colorful, very important in American History and a Great Leader.

Funny how nobody said Clinton or Bush :D
 
play the Americans.

Bush senior wasnt dynamic enough to make the list.

Bush Jr. has just started but I think he could be in the catagory if he can continue on the path he is on.

But History has a way of changing attitudes. Its amazing how some gain in stature and some lose. :)
 
As the Civil War raged and casualties mounted, public sentiment in the North tilted dangerously toward allowing Southern secession. Outright Confederate military victory was never a practical goal, but breaking Union resolve was plausible and nearly happened -- the South, after all, was fighting for a homeland and a way of life, while the North fought for an abstract notion of Union. Lincoln had the courage to insist on preserving a Union that even a majority of his own citizens were eventually willing to dissolve. His 1864 re-election was the turning point that showed the Rebels that simply surviving until Northern resolve withered was not going to work. From that point on, the Confederacy's cause was doomed. (CW computer games frequently use the 1864 election as their ending; if the Confederate player can break Union morale sufficiently to prevent Lincoln's reelection, then the South wins).

Slavery was a side issue in the Civil War. Lincoln resisted the Abolitionist cause until he desperately needed the support of that large voting bloc. Embracing Abolition meant that Lincoln could inspire his countrymen with a goal that seemed loftier than maintaining a political status quo.

Lincoln's reconstruction philosophy, "with malice toward none", was equally important in reuniting the nation. Few will argue that the re-imposition of Northern rule was entirely benevolent. Nonetheless, it was Lincoln's dictum that the South should not be punished as a conquered enemy.

Lincoln did intend to deport the slave population to Liberia after the war, or so I have read, and was dissuaded only by the enormous cost and formidable logistics. Whether this was or was not motivated by racism, it is unfair to judge historical actions and opinions by the standards of modern morality.

At any rate, America's persistence as a united nation led to its strength upon entering WWII (less than 80 years after the War Between the States ended, mind you) and its position of dominance in the world today. Whether or not you approve of the United States' modern position of leadership, I think you will admit that the outcome of WWII, and the subsequent struggle against communism, would've turned out quite differently had there not been a strong United States of America to take part in those events. For that, you can thank Mr. Lincoln. And for that reason, he is certainly among the greatest of all American leaders, if not THE greatest.
 
While I do not disagree with your train of thought, your arguement for Lincoln being the greatest is in fact very flawed. On the same train of thought you could say that without Washingtons Leadership the USA would not have been the great nationis currently is. Without the the Louisianna Purchase (SP) by Jefferson(?) The USA would not have been the great nationis currently is. Without the Conquest of Mexic and (thus the takingof the SW) the USA would not be the great nation that it is. The list goes on and on and on. The fact that Union was preserved is a great deed done but it hardly is the sole (or largest) reason why the USA is like it is today. It is the combination of MANY event and happeneings caused by MANY great leaders that brought the nation to where it is today.

I want Reagan becasue I would like a president representing the time when the USA was seen by the world as a great nation. (also I believe in many Reagan politics)
 
Ironrod -

Great post..... well written and historically accurate. (with the exception of Liberia... not sure I've heard that attributed to Ol' Abe before).

Abe is definately in the top three at least. That's good enough for me....

Keep him in the game.

(Ronnie was a figurehead for a conservative government in reaction to the Carter years. A cheerleader for a nation in search of something to cheer for. After spending us into the poor farm (while playing poker with the Russians) the country looks back fondly.

History will not be as kind.

Anyway..... just count'n the days 'till 10/30......[party] [party]
 
well, i guess there all important, perhaps they should be a choice of who you play??

Hey, my birthdays 10/31! :skull: [party]
 
Originally posted by Sukenis
While I do not disagree with your train of thought, your arguement for Lincoln being the greatest is in fact very flawed. On the same train of thought you could say that without Washingtons Leadership the USA would not have been the great nationis currently is. Without the the Louisianna Purchase (SP) by Jefferson(?) The USA would not have been the great nationis currently is. Without the Conquest of Mexic and (thus the takingof the SW) the USA would not be the great nation that it is. The list goes on and on and on. The fact that Union was preserved is a great deed done but it hardly is the sole (or largest) reason why the USA is like it is today. It is the combination of MANY event and happeneings caused by MANY great leaders that brought the nation to where it is today.

I want Reagan becasue I would like a president representing the time when the USA was seen by the world as a great nation. (also I believe in many Reagan politics)

You make some VERY good points, but I think what's trying to be said is that Lincoln's specific policies and actions during his presidency were extra-ordinary, especially considering the times. I'm not just talking about one or two great accomplishments, I'm talking about MANY.

This is the reason F.D.R. is my top choice, he came in office during the Great Depression, and stablized the US economy. He secretly supported and helped Britain with military aid that was crucial for their survival(Before we actually got into WW2), even when Congress and public opinion were against it. During WW2 he showed great diplomatic skills with buiding a alliance with Churchill and Stalin, and these are just a few of his accomplishments.

As for Reagan...:rolleyes:, I think he was a slightly above average president, and in reality his advisors and cabinet were behind his actions. His moral character was exceptional along with his dealing with the former USSR. But his domestic polices(Trickle Down Theory) IMHO was a failure, the growth of the federal deficit skyrocketed under his presidency, for example.

Lincoln is a good choice, and altough many people may have different personal choices(Washington, Jefferson, FDR, Reagan,..Clinton :goodjob: ), Lincolc is perhaps the most representive of the 'American Spirit' of all.
 
I maybe not an american ( i just a little up north in Quebec ) but Let's said Bush. He is a mediocre of Reagan in term of economy, social health , environement, outside policies. Dont get me wrong about this, but before the tragic incident of september 11, Bush was far below in survey. He have been 6 month into office and in this times, he puts the word against him. Reagan do the same with the crisis in Lybia and Iran. So as far we choose a great leader, let say Lincoln, washington, FDR, Kennedy, clinton. They manage to keep a certain golden age for the US (For FDR, Kennedy, and Clinton), for Lincoln he free the slave even if that would have desolve the union. He manage to keep it, and washington fight the freedom of is country. Without washington, it is probably that France, Russia, Germany and Great-Britain would still be Kingdom. Washington, by fighting the british for an ideology call Freedom and Republic as a gorvenement ( even if the idea of repoublic was in minded for several centuries) the world woundn't be what is it without him.
 
You sound like a hardcore liberal. Kennedy? Clinton? FDR? Geez...who'd *REALLY* want Bill Clinton invading their computers...I mean, this is a guy who appeared on TV every day for almost eight years...mostly with bad news on how he screwed up (Watergate, Monica)
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
You sound like a hardcore liberal. Kennedy? Clinton? FDR? Geez...who'd *REALLY* want Bill Clinton invading their computers...I mean, this is a guy who appeared on TV every day for almost eight years...mostly with bad news on how he screwed up (Watergate, Monica)

the Watergate is a republican error. It was Nixxon " I not a thief" guy :) but yeah i would be a democrat if i would lives in the US. For Clinton, Monica was a mistake, but was a fairly good president. The best economic stat, the best since many decades. :goodjob:
 
It will be interesting to see who they pick as America's "great leaders." I'm guessing about five, although there's no good reason why they couldn't have a huge bank of them and just pick out a random few in each game, for variety.

My picks: George Washington, Robert E Lee, Theodore Roosevelt, Martin Luther King, and John Kennedy... but of course, they could go off in a whole different direction with Einstein, Edison, and Ford!
 
Can someone get me right on the "connection" -if any- between Franklin D. Roosevelt and Theodore Roosevelt? I guess Teddy is the older of the two? -Or I might be wrong.

So, Franklin, he was the guy on Malta with Stalin and Churchill? I always believed that this one was Theodore? Yes, I may be a history student, but some things obviously slipped my attention. I'm more a pre-WWI guy myself. I am too tired to look it up on my own. It is more interesting to get it from an american.

So what is Teddy known for, if Franklin was the one who brought the US through the depression and WW2?
 
Einstein was not from the US. He was from Germany. Escaped/moved to the US in 1932. So he can not be a President of the USA.
Now to Richard Nixon. He was one of the great president of the USA. He ended the Vietnam war without blowing up the world. He manage to get both the USSR and China to talk with the US. But the did make a fool of himself with Watergate.
 
I have simply tried to do what seemed best each day, as each day came.
- Abraham Lincoln

He seems a great leader to me! Most politicians do what pays their interest best...

But when, no íf i ever play the americans, i will play female and hope for Hillary Clinton!:love:
 
Originally posted by Morten Blaabjerg
Can someone get me right on the "connection" -if any- between Franklin D. Roosevelt and Theodore Roosevelt?

They were cousins, although I think not 1st cousins. Eleanor was Teddy's 1st cousin if I'm not mistaken (yes, FDR married his own cousin).

Teddy is known for his imperialism, he fought in the Spanish War, probably the most imperialistic in US history (and one of the least known to most Americans). The "Battle of San Juan Hill", the "Rough Riders". He also oversaw the construction of the Panama Canal.

He is often quoted for saying "Speak softly and carry a big stick", which is what gives the aircraft carrier named after him the nickname "Stick".

Teddy only served one term, but ran again a few years later as an independent.

FDR was elected 4 times, made lots of government programs during the Great Depression, led the country through most of WWII. He had polio as a child, often used a wheelchair. His policies didn't really pull the US out of the depression (WWII did), and many conservatives don't like the "socialist" institutions the New Deal created, but personally I'm glad we no longer have the 3rd world labor practices (sweatshops, child labor, etc.) we had before FDR.

I can't remember which of the Roosevelts said "There is nothing to fear but Fear itself", I think Teddy but I could be wrong.
 
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