An early game strategic question

GKrause

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So, I find I can beat prince fairly handily, but I'm still struggling a bit on Monarch. I had a game come up tonight which presented an interesting strategic question.

Playing as Pericles, Hemispheres, standard settings except random number of continents. I quickly discover that I am on a somewhat smallish continent with our glorious Greek civilization on the SE corner and Pacal on the NW corner. No copper within sight, but I do find horses within my 3rd city. the land around me is medicocre, with a fair amount of jungle to the west and a little to the northwest. However, there are some rice and cow tiles, and a decent amount of grassland hills for production. Also, Pacal has access to TWO sources of copper very early in the game (discovered through diplomacy screen), so he has in the BFC of at least two of his first three cities. I build chariots and archers to fend off barbarians and to hopefully counter the axes I know Pacal will be sending eventually, as land is somewhat at a premium.

Around 500 BC, Pacal declares war, and with mixed stacks of spearmen and axemen, there is little I can do to survive. So my question is this: with access to so much early production in addition to better land for Pacal, is there anything that could have been done to salvage this game? I had access to no luxury resources, which also stunted my city growth.

In retrospect, I think the only way to counter might have been to forgoe much of the top half of the tech tree and beeline through iron working and MC to machinery for xbows while also possibly trying for Monotheism for the religion or failing that, HR to help my hapiness woes. I was going for calendar to access my dyes and later spices in the jungles, eventually forgoing that for HR when I realized that +1 happiness for Dyes wasn't gonna cut it. Chariots just weren't enough for me to defend from pillaging. Is devoting that much of the early game to the bottom half of the tree a viable strategy? I'm much more used to running through writing for math, currency, CoL, etc.

A view of the continent:

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Thanks!
 
If you really expected war that much, I think you should have gone for Iron Working much earlier. Not specifically Machinery in fact, just Iron Working to be able to build axes.

With such a situation, I think you should prioritize monarchy over calendar to solve the happiness problem. It means that you have to go through the mysticism techs, and so that you can grab CoL from here to help your economy, along with cheap over-boosted (cre+phil) libraries and cottages. These techs can be delayed since you don't need monuments. This also means that you can forgo mathematics, alphabet and currency for some time.

So, I would go Worker techs/writing/Iron Working/Monarchy, and see after this. For an early war, go for construction quickly (cats + axes + swords is sufficient). Or you can wait for macemen. This, obv, provided that you have Iron.

After this, calendar, REX, and go all out for optics and astronomy, you will need it :)
 
It's hard to read your post due to the screenshot expanding the screen width past my monitors view.

So for now I'll say, calendar for only one resource, not worth getting sailing and calendar, and there's no need for an aqueduct that early.
 
Did you get as far as researching IW and have no iron or did you neglect IW? If you got no copper and a rival then diverting to IW early makes sense (even more so if you have jungle to cut down).
 
Ok, it's not pacal, it's the khmer king, as evidenced by Ankgor Wat and Angkor Thom. He is dangerous though.

Archers in forests can hold them off if you position well. Catapults + stuff works against anything, and needs no resources.
 
If you dont have horses or copper in one of your first two cities, it is almost required that you get iron working next. Of course this only applies if you have a neighbor nearby, which clearly you did.
 
IW or hbriding should've been a priority imho. Alternatively, if you had just kept your power high enough, he probably woudnt've attacked you.
 
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