Frustrated with immortal

[pigswill]

A sneaky AP win can be a cheap victory, likewise a sneaky AP defeat is a cheap defeat. Now you've learned it can happen to you then maybe in future you'll plan to avoid it. Prevent religion spread (can be tricky), get a majority vote in AP religion, gift mass media to or simply raze AP city.

 

[skarpa]

If you think you're having a bad day, consider what happened to me: on the turn I attacked my neighbor with an engineering attack in the 700s, HC wins the AP vote and with that, the game. Is there any highly illegal way to worldbuilder this out or edit the save to disable diplomatic victory? This is worse than bad RNG, this is a gameplay flaw.

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Wow that looks like really bad luck tbh. I've never seen a diplo win so early but then you've played much more than me. Did he do it with just his own votes?

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HC has it in my game on the same map. And early on it did look like he might cheese an AP win, Musa hasn't got his religion it seems fortunately and HC has now lost control to DG. Now I've capped Musa and Toku I may be able to cheese a win that way.

Good map btw. Tough situation despite all that starting gold.

 

[sylvanllewelyn]

I like to open the worldbuilder file in notepad and edit the game settings.

Apostolic Palace victory is fair game unless it's continents, when it can be actual instant defeat one turn after the religion spreads to one of your cities.

 

[jorissimo]

Wow that looks like really bad luck tbh. I've never seen a diplo win so early but then you've played much more than me. Did he do it with just his own votes?

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HC has it in my game on the same map. And early on it did look like he might cheese an AP win, Musa hasn't got his religion it seems fortunately and HC has now lost control to DG. Now I've capped Musa and Toku I may be able to cheese a win that way.

Good map btw. Tough situation despite all that starting gold.

Me neither! I don't remember the vote distribution, people did actually vote for him, but I think his own votes played a big part.

 

[jorissimo]

I like to open the worldbuilder file in notepad and edit the game settings.

Apostolic Palace victory is fair game unless it's continents, when it can be actual instant defeat one turn after the religion spreads to one of your cities.

But is there any other victory you've seen an AI win in the 700s? And doing so little for it? That just doesn't feel right. Victories should happen in the late game, when civs have had the chance to actually achieve something, and when you're actually paying attention to victory conditions.

 

[a pen-dragon]

Did he do it with just his own votes?

In BtS 3.19 this is not possible anymore. Originally it was, but in some patch/extension the rules were changed to make a diplomatic victory impossible when one player has sufficient votes for themselves.

Edit: at least for the UN. I am not absolutely sure for the AP.

 

[jorissimo]

In BtS 3.19 this is not possible anymore. Originally it was, but in some patch/extension the rules were changed to make a diplomatic victory impossible when one player has sufficient votes for themselves.

Edit: at least for the UN. I am not absolutely sure for the AP.

For the AP the cap is set at 70 something of the vote. Which is still way too high imho. An election like that cannot be taken seriously.