An EU2 story about an Italian dash for Greatness

The final battle for supremacy in Italy

In February 1540 I declare war on Venice. All my alliance members except Saxony join the war to serve as cheap cannon fodder. With two sizeable armies that had been positioned earlier I move in to besiege the two provinces that I intend to gain in this war: Marche and Mantua. Venetian resistance is minimal and brushed aside without breaking a sweat. The troops in Mantua face desperate counterattacks, but don’t move an inch. The first success of the war is reported in August 1540 when Marche is captured, followed in October by the fall of Mantua. To make it clear to the Venetians that these two provinces are best given up, I head for Venice itself. Due to some interruptions by the Venetian navy I do not reach the city until April 1541, when a siege is begun. From Istria a Venetian army of 14,000 constantly tries to dislodge my siege force, but it is beaten back every single time which, in effect, not only seals the fate of the city, but also the fate of Venice as an Italian based empire.

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In July 1542 the war crazy Austrians declare war on Poland, the same country that kicked their butt not too long ago and that while the Ottomans two years earlier annexed Hungary! Vienna clearly has its priorities straight… :shakehead Now I have to decide if I will join this war or not. When I see that Poland is supported by Denmark, Saxony and France, I quickly conclude this war is a lost one. There is no way I could get anything from it before Austria is overrun by the French, Saxon and Polish hordes. I wish them all the best, politely decline their request and return to the matter at hand: ripping Venice apart.

Some Venetian generals or admirals must have had a chat with French colleagues, because for some reason they too show a particular interest in Corsica. Numerous landings are attempted and all of them are repulsed by the garrison stationed on the island. The suicide attacks on Veneto also continue as if they would actually have a chance of succeeding. After countless tries, even the Venetians themselves accept there is nothing that can be done and in July 1543 they offer me Marche, Mantua and 33 ducats for peace. I accept. Not only does this peace give me two extra Italian provinces, it also means north and south Italy are now connected. Apart from the obvious strategic importance, this also has significant consequences for my economy, since it ends the penalty that I endured on income from my four southern provinces because they lacked a land connection with the capital. In more ways than one, this was a very lucrative war.

Austria’s losses in the war against virtually the whole of Europe weren’t as big as expected, btw. They lost Wurtemberg to France and Zeeland to Denmark. This is a screenie from Central Europe at the end of 1543:

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Old weak allies, new powerful friends

Despite slow growth in both economic and military power, the world is still a dangerous place for Italy on its own and allies, therefore, are needed. Although Austria often seems more of a hindrance than an asset, I don’t have a lot of choices and thus find myself yet again tied to Vienna in an alliance that also consists of Russia.

In 1544 I suffer a major economic setback when my centre of trade in Liguria disappears by event which results in the Venetian CoT now controlling virtually all Italian trade.

After a short war against Cleves, Austria in 1545 declares war on England. With Rome nearby and a sizeable navy to intercept English ships to the Italian peninsula at my disposal I see a good opportunity to at least get some money out of this war. Within a year Rome has fallen and several English vessels lay on the bottom of the Ligurian Sea after which peace with England is agreed upon for the price of 157 ducats.

On the economic front things also look good when in 1549 I finish promoting mayors in all my provinces. The most important feature of a mayor is the fact that he battles inflation which in essence lets you add a small amount of cash each month to your “pocket money” without creating inflation. Mayors are my favourite improvement in the game since they free up so much funds to invest in other things like manufactories and colonization. For me, mayors provide the fuel needed for a serious money making machine.

Also in 1549 the carrousel of war is again given a spin, this time by Russia as it declares war on Poland. This not only drags me and Austria in, but also Poland’s allies France, Saxony and Denmark. Like in the previous war where France was involved, I head for Piemonte and Provence in the hope of gaining a province from the French. Surprisingly, the first battle I fight is against a small Danish force in Lombardia. I fight them one more time in Piemonte and also win a battle against a French army when in April 1550 the Ottoman Empire declares war on Austria. Both Russia and I join the war.

To be able to focus fully on the Ottomans, Austria agrees on peace with Poland handing over both Cleves and Hessen to France, which is clearly becoming the dominant force in Germany. Russia and I, however, continue the war and in June 1550 I manage to take Provence after which I turn east to Piemonte. Like last time, however, I am again not given the chance to really hurt the French when in October Russia concludes an alliance peace with France netting 200 ducats. The (for me uninteresting) war against Poland and Denmark comes to an end almost two years later with Russia agreeing to pay 200 ducats.

The war against the Ottoman Empire however is still going on and Austria is taking a serious beating in a slugfest that is about to turn really ugly for them. My attempts at securing a separate white peace are merely laughed at by the Porte and it is at this point that Poland declares war on Austria, swiftly followed by France, Saxony and Cologne. With the Austrians already giving ground to the Ottomans in the south, there is no way they can mount a defence in the west, north and east against the hordes that are about to be unleashed upon them. Recognizing a lost cause when I see it, I decline Austria’s request for help and leave the alliance. :salute:

In 1557, two years after the Polish declaration of war, Austria looks like this:

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Seems I made a wise choice not to join them… :D

In the end Austria lost Wurzburg and Ansbach to France (January 1559) and Magyar and Ruthenia to the Ottoman Empire (October 1560). Some bitter pills to swallow, but not as bad as expected. Still, Austria seems to be losing its position as a first tier power as it is being overtaken by both the French and the Ottomans. This fact is of great importance when deciding my own stance on the diplomatic stage. Allying myself with Austria would mean joining them in their journey down the abyss, it would mean joining the losers, not the winners. It is clearly time for Italy to find another set of allies.

In 1562 the French alliance falls apart as the Huguenots break free from France and none of its alliance members respond to French calls for help. I see a good opportunity to form a new alliance and start sending gifts to the French King to improve our relations. My diplomatic coup is successful when in September 1562 I’m accepted into an alliance with France and Desmond. Italy now has at its disposal the biggest cannon fodder factory known to Europe. This alone guarantees Italy’s safety for the time being and gives me the possibility to focus on building an economy capable of sustaining a kick ass war machine of my own… :cool:
 
@Specialist: The game I love most from Paradox is EU2. I play it almost constantly. The other games from them I have (Victoria, CK and HoI) I play once in a while and after one or two games I put them away again. HoI is my least favourite. I can't recall the last time I seriously played that game...
 
Whereas I for one love HoI. Each to their own.

Excellent update once again. I much enjoyed your alliance hopping antics, and congratulations on becoming King.
 
Kan' Sharuminar said:
Whereas I for one love HoI. Each to their own.

Excellent update once again. I much enjoyed your alliance hopping antics, and congratulations on becoming King.

Thanks! :king:

I think I don't like HoI that much, becuase I'm more of a builder than a conqueror. In HoI, you know you'll spend most of your time waging war and the choices are limited. This is understandable because of the scope of the game (just over a decade) and the time it is set in (WW2), but it leaves me with the feeling of being out of control.

In EU2, you can build up your own empire, chosing various ways of expansion. There is a whole set of options open to you (economic, diplomatic, military) and you have the choice at any given time to chose one of these options to push your nation forward. Given the timespan, it also has a far more epic feel.

But, as you say, to each his own. :)
 
Oh i completely agree. I much enjoy EU2's more relaxed Grand Campaign, and there's nothing quite like getting some small one-province nation to world superpower in 400 years :goodjob:

Not to mention there's always a special bond between a player and the first Paradox game they buy, I'm sure.
 
Pyotr Veliky said:
@Specialist: The game I love most from Paradox is EU2. I play it almost constantly. The other games from them I have (Victoria, CK and HoI) I play once in a while and after one or two games I put them away again. HoI is my least favourite. I can't recall the last time I seriously played that game...

The only games I have are EU1 and Vicky. I've gotten back into Vicky now that I've figured out how to manage my finances (the hard way; before, I would consistently run up loans totalling into the 40,000s in less than a year... My problem was that I tried to finance everything ;) ). I'll probably never play EU1 again, due to this annoying bug which clears out all your stored diplomats, traders, and colonists when you save, exit, and reload.

Incidentally, my current Vicky game is as the Ottomans.
 
@Specialist: Vicky is in essence a great game, but there are a few things that make it "close, but not quite" for me. Its realism is its main asset, but also its main problem. Wars are too costly in men, totally ruining your economy because of the empty factories it leads to, and the gains from them (a few provinces that are likewise empty, because your enemy also suffered horrendous losses) are miniscule. The various demands in prestige, population, money etc. make it that only a handful of countries are playable in a way that is fun, instead of masochistic. I somehow like playing France the most. Two Sicilies is also great. In EU2, any European nation is fun for me.

@Chukchi Husky: Hmm, never heard that complaint before. Does vanilla EU2 work fine? If so, I don't have a clue why AGCEEP runs slow. It's not any more demanding of your system than vanilla EU2 is.
 
Pyotr Veliky said:
@Specialist: Vicky is in essence a great game, but there are a few things that make it "close, but not quite" for me. Its realism is its main asset, but also its main problem. Wars are too costly in men, totally ruining your economy because of the empty factories it leads to, and the gains from them (a few provinces that are likewise empty, because your enemy also suffered horrendous losses) are miniscule. The various demands in prestige, population, money etc. make it that only a handful of countries are playable in a way that is fun, instead of masochistic. I somehow like playing France the most. Two Sicilies is also great. In EU2, any European nation is fun for me.

True. Of course, I haven't played it long enough to get into any "major" wars (my first "big" war was against the Egyptians, who were basically pushovers, even when they outnumbered me 2:1), but based on my own previous financial experience, it sounds like a big war would soon become much too costly, especially for a nation that doesn't produce a lot of its own arms. I can also see the point of making as many nations as possible palyable (one of the bad things about EU1 was that you could only pick from 8 nations), but I also see how it's possible to carry that principle too far... (Although I do admit that I was tempted to see whether or not it would be possible to turn Hawaii into a great Pacific empire once.)

EU2 sounds much better than the original. I'll have to look for it sometime and get it the next time I see it.
 
Pyotr Veliky I blame you for getting into these games thanks man. Any idea where I could fine EU2. I was lucky and found HoI for 10 dollars a few days ago and was very lucky it was on the weekend or I might go crazy.
 
@Specialist: The purchasing of weapons needed for war is, funny enough, not a real problem around mid-game. You just shouldn't buy them all at once, or the price will truly sky rocket. The thing that makes large wars like WWI (and all wars against another major power turn into carnage like seen in Verdun and on the Somme) truly costly, is the fact that the soldiers you need to fight them with are taken from your factories. These men, decomposing on some foreign battle field, tend to be quite crappy factory workers once the war ends. :D Without workers to keep your factories going, your economy disintegrates. This problem even drawfs the problem of sustaining a large war, which drains money from the budget faster than you can say "budget deficit".

And yes, EU2 truly is a different game from EU1. For starters, you can play any nation on earth, altough I would advice to play a European nation. Native American, Asian or, God forbid, African nations are not what this game is about and don't give the same reward playing a European nation does. Although there are people who enjoy pain and/or boredom, who do like to play such countries. Not my cup of tea, though.

@Cegman: Your local Ebay-store should have copies of the game lying around. Other than that, it's difficult to find it in a "genuine" store nowadays, even in the bargain bin; if I'm not mistaken, the game is 4 years old already and not as widely known as, for example, the Civ-series.

If you are in to strategy games, it's a really cool game. If not, it might have a steep learning curve. Feel free to drop in at www.europa-universalis.com. I've been part of that community for quite some time now, and it's a very helpful, devoted group of people. They'd be happy to answer any questions you might ever have about how to play. Also, there's quite an extensive FAQ-section.

I'm glad I got at least one person interested in the game! :goodjob:
 
Pyotr Veliky said:
And yes, EU2 truly is a different game from EU1. For starters, you can play any nation on earth, altough I would advice to play a European nation. Native American, Asian or, God forbid, African nations are not what this game is about and don't give the same reward playing a European nation does. Although there are people who enjoy pain and/or boredom, who do like to play such countries. Not my cup of tea, though.

Depends who you choose. I managed a rather excellent game as China, reunifying them and becoming the dominant power of Asia. I didn't find it much different than playing as a European power.

Though yes, beyond the obvious choices outside Europe (China, Persia, Japan etc) there's not much fun to be had. Though I did have fun playing as the Aztecs once (though I got bored and quit because the Spanish hadn't turned up by 1600 :rolleyes: ).
 
I've seen the Incans do reasonably well before in the AGREEP mod although that was in my French game where I had taken over a lot of the Spanish core provinces.
 
Slightly disappointed that Venice cannot officially become the kingdom of Italy as I've recently started a game as them with the AGREEP mod although it does make quite a bit of sense since Venice also start with greek culture. Venice is much easier to play as with AGREEP since you don't have to worry about a strong Austria to the north at the start of the game and are pretty much free to expand wherever you want.

My basic strategy was to grab Thrace and stop the Ottomans forming properly. Interestingly there is an event that can provoke a war with the Ottomans if you own Thrace as they request that you hand it over to them. In the war I managed to grab Macedonia and then diplo-annex Athens.

The second stage was to concentrate on northern Italy. Milan briefly had 3 provinces after annexing Modena but then I took Modena off them for a separate peace, then Tuscany took Emilia for a separate peace and then finally Mantua took Lombardia. Lombardia was then taken by Switzerland whilst Scotland annexed Mantua. After a while I eventually fought a war against those two and gained Mantua. Before this I luckily annexed a three province Tuscany on the first attempt.
 
Venice with Italian and Greek culture can be a mighty juggernaut. Its DP-sliders suck at the beginning of the game, though. Be prepared to lose a lot of land battles before you manage to rearrange them. But yes, Venice has good opportunities for expansion. I don't really like naval nations, but Venice is one of my favourites, still. :)
 
I found my first major use for a navy other than transportation. Blocking the Bosphorus so that 40 000 Ottoman troops were on one side whilst I was free to take their holdings in Europe. Only got one province in the peace deal though because I couldn't stop France sending 5k armies in the other direction and continually getting slaughtered.
 
Dell19 said:
I found my first major use for a navy other than transportation. Blocking the Bosphorus so that 40 000 Ottoman troops were on one side whilst I was free to take their holdings in Europe. Only got one province in the peace deal though because I couldn't stop France sending 5k armies in the other direction and continually getting slaughtered.

Ah, I remember when I had no idea about that rule a long time ago. Was playing as the Ottomans and couldn't work out why I wasn't able to cross the damned strait.

And Pyotr, may I be the first to say "Update! Update!"

(An AAR ain't an AAR without someone crying out for one) ;)
 
A couple of things I've been noticing with AGREEP is that Austria have perhaps been weakened a little too much but maybe thats a good thing since its quite nice allowing other nations a chance to dominate Germany. I think France are slightly over powered since the land bridge with England allows them to too easily win wars against England as they concentrate less on building large stacks. In my current game France own four English provinces.

This is a bit later on:

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I don't think it helps that the alliance is France, Genoa, Venice, The Palinate and Meissen with the last two owning at least 5 provinces each. Thinking of going to war with Spain at some point to get the rest of Italy but I'm a bit worried about how much France could grab of Spain.
 
An update will follow most probably tomorrow, Kan' Sharuminar. :)

About AGCEEP and the land bridge: there is a lot of controversy about this amongst the EU2-fans, but it is NOT an AGCEEP decision. It was introduced with the latest patch (1.08) from Paradox. The patch was mainly meant for multi-player and should avoid England just sitting on the island, not getting involved in Europe and hyperteching/colonizing all the time. I agree that this isn't good for the game, but now, with the passable straight, England has even more reason to keep out of Europe and become France's b*tch: the French army, which will in most cases be far superior to the English army, can just march over ... I personally think it's a bad decision.
 
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