And for Brazil?

ArnoldI

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I discovered recently that now the Minuteman receives the saem bonus as the Pracinhas, but still having Drill I and the no movement penalty promotion.

But what about Brazil? It's already weak in the early game and, now, even weaker in the late when comparem to tolher civis? Should Brazil get a buff, or is America which should take a nerf?

In my opinion, there are some civs (Brazil almost in it), which struggle for a buff
 
Well, you got a point, but I cannot trust civs which depends on GAs. :lmao:
 
I discovered recently that now the Minuteman receives the saem bonus as the Pracinhas, but still having Drill I and the no movement penalty promotion.

But what about Brazil? It's already weak in the early game and, now, even weaker in the late when comparem to tolher civis? Should Brazil get a buff, or is America which should take a nerf?

In my opinion, there are some civs (Brazil almost in it), which struggle for a buff

People don't play Brazil because of the Pracinhas. They play Brazil because of CARNIVAL!!!
 
So, ir Brazil is in Carnival now, is correct to say we should be popping Great People?
 
IMO, the tourism output is better than the rise in GA/GM/GWs spawning
 
No, they only get a double rate of spawn for the GWAMs...

They also get a 100% increase in tourism during Golden Ages..

So I doubt anybody cares about the Prichana.
 
I guess we need to buff Poland because Winged Hussars are not as good as Hakkapeliitta. *sarcasm* (edit: should have used another comparison since WGs are better)
 
No, they only get a double rate of spawn for the GWAMs...

They also get a 100% increase in tourism during Golden Ages..

So I doubt anybody cares about the Prichana.

It's only a 50% added spawn rate of GWAMs, so it's the same as a Garden and National Epic.

Also, the 100% increase in Tourism is treated the same as the Open Borders/Trade Route etc. modifiers, so Brazil got a relative nerf in the last major patch when you could up the value of Open Borders etc from 25% to 40% with an Aesthetics policy.
 
Yeah, and Chichen Itza is one of the most aimed wonders I've ever seen.
 
also you'll be :cry: at least a lil bit if you lose out on Chichen

It's not that critical as Brazil. Just burn a GA for a Golden Age that will increase your GA spawn rate. And stay away from the last three policies in the Aesthetics tree until you are producing a decent amount of Tourism, otherwise you are wasting those two Golden Ages.
 
Sometimes the carnival bonus can be a waste can't it? You don't have to start generating great works so early. When choosing Brazil, please note that you don't always have to use the carnival bonus.
 
It's not that critical as Brazil. Just burn a GA for a Golden Age that will increase your GA spawn rate. And stay away from the last three policies in the Aesthetics tree until you are producing a decent amount of Tourism, otherwise you are wasting those two Golden Ages.


no i mean i'm not that good of a player, yet have played a shameful amt of hrs. enough to know that if i had sat and watched AI-Built-Chichen message on my screen, specifically as Brazil i'd prolly start an older autosave at least and see what could be done differently.
 
Haha, the opposite. Brazil is so much stronger than America. You're comparing a top tier culture / diplomacy civ with a mid tier warmonger civ that's meh at everything else.


Uhhh...depends I guess, All you need to do to mess up Brazil is take one of their key cultural cities late game and they can't finish. Whereas America is much harder to knock off track when they get going.

You're forgetting the fact that although America plays well as a warmonger they aren't strong because of their war-based UA, or early war capabilities, but because of their ability to easily seize some of the nicest infrastructures early game. Most of their UAs are pointed towards economic and territorial advantages. Their extra view on all units makes them wonderful tactically and gets me 50% more of the initial ruins--often meaning a free choice of pantheon or a quick start to the civics game. Their 50% reduction on purchase costs is awesome. I sell my luxuries and use it early when territory is cheap to literally seal the border on all my border cities and steal luxuries and resources right out from under people. I buy all the way up the rivers and gun for every resource not locked down. I've often placed a new city right next to another just to steal all the satellite resources, and the same turn I buy every tile available around the other city stunting its growth for the game. No other civ does this so easily...I never manage to get all the border tiles I want unless I have America. Sure it ticks ppl off, but by the time they do anything about it, you're more powerful, have more resources, better cities, and just got minutemen. Then the fun starts and their +1 sight makes the tactical game so easy. When you hit B-17's there's just no matching them. They are so easy to level up to air repair, I can hardly move my ground troops fast enough.

But yes, as far as conquering the world with them, well...they start a bit late, much easier if you get ahead in science, which is actually not hard with the large cities they amass. My last game I had so many nice cities I won science kinda on accident while I was taking over the world late game.
 
I can say the same about half the warmonger civs out there (and better things), and all the science/growth civs. I didn't say America sucks, I said they were mid-tier on domination. If you're going for science, you're almost better off with every warmonger than America (besides Mongol/Denmark/Japan/Ottoman), and almost every other civ as well. On the other hand, you won't find many people who leave out Brazil in top 3 culture or top 5 diplo victory rankings.

What do mean Brazil gets messed up if you take one city.... Are you playing MP? Its pretty hard to lose a city in the jungle to the AI late game... even on deity. Or, are you talking about the AI using these civs? The AI's proficiency with the civs is entirely based on their programming flavor values... I make no claims about how good the AI is with Brazil.

I really have not made a controversial claim here, or a claim that depends on anything. This holds true through different difficulties and map type.

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Ahhh, I see yes, they are mid-tier if you desire a straight-up domination. They are one of the better-rounded civs I've played so I'd assume they'd be mid-tier in nearly everything. My strategy is often just to play well and see which victory type they are closest too come industrial, cuz they seem to do well with everything given their powerful territory start. Although, I must say after playing Shoshone, they beat America on that field. still, as a person who doesn't play domination much I was suprised with my last game with them. two wars that I kinda happened to get into right as B-17's hit the market and I realize 30 turns later I own half the world and 4 out of 8 capitals. Part of that was tech advantage though and the fact that the AI won't make peace for 10 turns (most of them were nearly dead in 10 so...) It was like the old blitzkriegs of Civ III, a new layer of cities every 2 and sometimes 1 turns. As my first BNW game I had dropped to King though so it was probably just too easy to tell how they match up to other civs. Any civ looks like a powerhouse when you're the only one with planes, tanks, paratroopers, and helicopters.

I guess with a warmonger civ you want several stages where they have the home advantage, not just 1 or 2 late ones. Is this what you are saying?

As for Brazil and most other tall cultures, yes, I've found I outpace them scientifically playing the expansionist game. If they look like they might win before I complete the spaceship a quick bomber raid and tank blitz on one good city usually ruins it for them. What I'm saying is cultural civs invest so much in each of their few good cities losing one is devastating. Takes like 1/5 of their works which become automatic tourism defense for me. But yes, I usually play AI so they probably suck compared to you playing Brazil.
 
Regarding Brazil, you gotta look at the civilization as a whole rather than just one part of it. Seems they gave Brazil a meh UU because its UA and UI are so darn good, in the same way that they gave the Mongols a meh UA because its two UUs are, well. :strength:

Although it is true that Pracinhas were "nerfed" even more now in a way by Minutemen getting their special ability too. Minutemen now have three free promotions, absolutely godly. My friend's story of the American Kris Swordsman with Recruitment that upgraded into a Minuteman also bears mentioning here. :D

However, as Brazil, getting six free Foreign Legions from Volunteer Army and then upgrading them to Pracinhas that also have a foreign lands bonus is quite :goodjob:.
 
The brazillwood camp is amazing. There uu is purposely bad, but still given synergy with their other bonuses
 
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