Another What If?
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philippe
FYI, I chase trains.
the film "Frida" would miss some nice scènes amongst the Mexican pyramides.
Rhymes
Drive 4 25 is back
Serpentor wouldn't have been the successor of Cobra Comander.
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
Well obviously the fact is that Stalin was focused on making communism successful in Russia first before transporting it ('socialism in one country'), whilst Trotsky favoured 'international proletarian revolution'...aka trying to turn the whole world communist. This of course would have meant alot more agression from the USSR and things would most likely have played out alot differently. It's to hard to guess exactly of course, my rough speculation would be tht Trotsky would have aimed to assist the communist/socialist factions in Germany alot more than Stalin ever did and probably ended up fighting more agressive wars aimed at supporting scocialists/communist worldwide.
Would he have gone on a massive genocide?
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
He was still one of Lenin's cronies, and Lenin was as bloodthirsty as his successor.
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
If your talking about Stalin's purges, I doubt Trotsky would ever have done anything to that extent. Trotsky would have been more focused on creating and suporting socilaist/communist revoloutions in neighbouring states, whereas Stalin obviosuly focused more on wiping out any opposistion to him. I mena there would have been alot of blood split but more so in wars and strife rather than stalinist purges.
Already got a thread on this...
Trotsky's USSR would've still been a autocratic state. Trotsky would've been quite ruthless in suppressing opposition - he had shown he was capable of that in the civil war. Perhaps he would continue Lenin's NEP for a while. I reckon he would've been more active than Stalin in sponsering Communism abroad as well.
Trotsky's USSR would've still been a autocratic state. Trotsky would've been quite ruthless in suppressing opposition - he had shown he was capable of that in the civil war. Perhaps he would continue Lenin's NEP for a while. I reckon he would've been more active than Stalin in sponsering Communism abroad as well.
Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
One thing nobody's mentioned is that Trotsky was unlikely to sign a non-aggression pact with Germany. Also, the Western Powers would be far more likely to support Hitler over a highly aggressive Soviet Union, as they did initially in the real world. If Russia was constantly engaged in warfare and support of revolutions it would not have grown as strong as it did, so a German-Soviet war could have ended quite differently, and possibly kept Western Europe safe.
This is a pretty big "What if" though, since Trotsky's strategy of continual revolution was also far more likely to bankrupt Russia and bring about collapse or foreign invasion than Stalin's policy to begin with.
This is a pretty big "What if" though, since Trotsky's strategy of continual revolution was also far more likely to bankrupt Russia and bring about collapse or foreign invasion than Stalin's policy to begin with.
aronnax
Let your spirit be free
Trotsky supported Lenin's idea of improving and being a better agricultural state. Stalin wanted to jump straight into industrialisation
If Trotsky was in power, industrialisation would be delayed, the Russian State will fall behind and get its butt kicked by Hitler
If Trotsky was in power, industrialisation would be delayed, the Russian State will fall behind and get its butt kicked by Hitler
Princeps
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Not really, Lenin was a tyrant, but Stalin was on a completely different category. The fact that Stalin had everyone on the Lenin side shot, seems to indicate that there was a substantial disagreement between the two.
This military-industrial complex evantually destroyed the Soviet Union, because it left the underdeveloped and savaged agriculture in tatters. The doubling of grain prices, together with collapsing oil prices, brought the Soviet Union down later on.
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
I'd say Hitler would never have come to power in the first placewith aTrotsky led USSR. For a start as I have mntioned Trotsky would have been alot more active in supporting communism abroad, and had the USSR piled in support for the communists in Germany no doubt there would have been civil war.
Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
Which still would have resulted in a communist defeat, and an even more ultra-nationalist Germany. Hitler may have actually liked that environment better.
rilnator
Emperor
Stalin would have ended up with the ice pick in his head, not Trotsky.
...which may have also even gotten more support from the Western Allies. Ultra-nationalist Germany + even blinder Western Allies = even more free money territories in Central Europe.
Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
We need a smiley that holds his hand like a gun, points it at you, then pretends to pull the trigger while winking. My thoughts exactly. They may even had scored Poland free.
Outside of the Polish Corridor, Germany didn't particularly see the need for taking Poland until the flap over Danzig (possibly the least objectionable of all the German demands, because the city was populated entirely by virulent Nazi Germans). Before 1939, the Poles and Germans had had an NAP (since 1934; it was one of Hitler's first actions after the Enabling Act) and Hitler was interested in using them as a pliable buffer state to hold off the Sovs.
That of course all came crashing down when the Poles said "nah you guis cant have Danzick lulz" in winter 1939 and the UK and France decided to back them up. Because it makes perfect sense to pledge to protect several countries, most of whom have no access to you.
PredatorFett
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Trotsky died a has-been. Had he ruled rather than Stalin, let's just say there would be alot of emo wussies in Soviet Russia.
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