Any Welsh Tribes?

[Welsh Warrior]

In Civ II there was a Welsh tribe. Civ III doesn't have one. Has anyone created one which I can download? Any detailed maps of Wales/UK? The Welsh discovered America in 1170 so it's only right that they should be represented in the greatest World conquest game ever made.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

I believe there is a "British Isles" mod hanging around somewhere on the mod forum, with map.

Oh, and just to spite you, the Welsh may have come before Columbus, but the Vikings were there even earlier

 

[Welsh Warrior]

Yes, the legendary Vinland. Although, it's difficult to think where grapes would have grown in Canada, which is where the Vikings are most likely to have landed after island hoping from Scandinavia to Shetland to Iceland to Greenland and to North America. Columbus didn't find anything he was looking for? He landed in the Caribbean and threatened his crew not to tell anyone that he had failed to reach the Far East. He was nowhere near mainland America and knew no better by the time he died. There is a monument to Prince Madog in Mobile, Alabama commemorating his landing. Legend has it that a number of Welsh folk assimilated into indian tribes. traces of Welsh dialogue can be found in some native American dialects. Thanks, I'll see if I can conquer the British Isles.

 

[MikeH]

In Civ II there was a Welsh tribe. Civ III doesn't have one.

In Civ2 they were called the Celts, in Civ3 the name has been changed to the Celts.

 

[Welsh Warrior]

Ah yes, my mistake (been a while since I played it). I changed the Celts to Welsh because they used some Welsh place names. Problem with the Celts is that it is an amalgamation of peoples from Scotland, Ireland and Wales. No real distinct identity. I think that all the nations of the British Isles should be represented, not just England. The Celts in Civ III do not Welsh names etc. Also, Brennus is far too grizzled and ugly.

 

[Cuivienen]

That's because the majority of Celtic civilization wasn't in Wales The Celts achieved something approaching an empire only on the mainland before the Romans kicked them out. Later on, they were Roman and Pictish, then Anglo-Saxon, then Viking, then English punching bags.

 

[rbis4rbb]

Welsh aren't big enough to be a Civ 4 civ. But with all the UK players, there's bound to be a mod.

 

[Yuri2356]

Yes, the legendary Vinland. Although, it's difficult to think where grapes would have grown in Canada, which is where the Vikings are most likely to have landed after island hoping from Scandinavia to Shetland to Iceland to Greenland and to North America.

There is definate eveidence that the Vikings established permanent settlements in Newfoundland (But they were fourced out after a few years due to conflicts with the natives) As for grapes, the province of Ontario (Specificly the reigon arround Niagara Falls) has a large number of highly successfull vinyards. It has been speculated that "Vinland" could have referred to any part of eastern Canada, including the Great Lakes/St. Lawrence area.

 

[Crimso]

I think that all the nations of the British Isles should be represented, not just England.

They should also add the Basque as a civ. And the Yukrain. And Estonia. And Tibet. And Thailand. And Vietnam. And Indonesia. And Atlantis. And

 

[rbis4rbb]

I know people are proud of their homeland, but we can't have every little Civ included. Afrikaners? Confederacy? Aborigines? Welsh?

 

[Gainy]

They should also add the Basque as a civ. And the Yukrain. And Estonia. And Tibet. And Thailand. And Vietnam. And Indonesia. And Atlantis. And

His statement is a bit silly, yer. But Scotland did (and still continues to) influence the world in many ways. Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia etc are only really known for manufacturing of little toys

 

[Prince David]

Now that the subject's come up, I always thought that the "America" civ was more than a little contrived. While the US is certainly a major player on the current glabal stage (for good or ill), we are definetly "johnny come latelies" in terms of global civilzation. History will only tell how significant an impact we'll really have when the dust settles, but compared to the Chinese, Greeks, Egyptians, Indians, Romans, Mongols, Arabs, etc. we're light-weights.

Besides, Lincoln in his little mammoth skin cap is just silly.

And as long as we're wondering why there isn't a particular civ, I've always thought there should be a "Jewish" civ. (And no, I don't mean the hordes of Egyptian slaves . . .)

 

[Welsh Warrior]

I know people are proud of their homeland, but we can't have every little Civ included. Afrikaners? Confederacy? Aborigines? Welsh?

I think there is a lot of scope for the Confederacy if someone puts the time in to a North vs South scenario. Having said that, why bother - Gettysburg is Awesome!

 

[Welsh Warrior]

They should also add the Basque as a civ. And the Yukrain. And Estonia. And Tibet. And Thailand. And Vietnam. And Indonesia. And Atlantis. And

Come to think of it, all the colonies should be represented.

 

[Welsh Warrior]

There is definate eveidence that the Vikings established permanent settlements in Newfoundland (But they were fourced out after a few years due to conflicts with the natives) As for grapes, the province of Ontario (Specificly the reigon arround Niagara Falls) has a large number of highly successfull vinyards. It has been speculated that "Vinland" could have referred to any part of eastern Canada, including the Great Lakes/St. Lawrence area.

Very interesting. Thanks. In tribute, I shall play as the Vikings in the next game.

 

[Welsh Warrior]

His statement is a bit silly, yer. But Scotland did (and still continues to) influence the world in many ways. Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia etc are only really known for manufacturing of little toys

Without the Jocks we would have no TV, therefore no monitors, therefore no computers, therfore no Civ I, II, III or IV - think about that!!

 

[majk-iii]

Don't talk down on southeast asia people... there's just as much grounds for The kingdom of Siam to be in the game as there is for any particular celtic tribe.

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

1) The Celts represent (historically completely correct) the second-most powerful Civilization in continental Europe during the 1000BCs-0AD. What's a bit odd is the focus on the Gauls, and completely ignoring the Austrian/Swiss centres (the Salt mines in the Alpes was what made them economically successful). Those romantic remnants on the Isles are not more important than the Mayan or Aztecs remnants in Modern Mesoamerica.
2) L'Anse au Meadows is a matter of fact. Everything else before Columbus (China, Cartage, St.Brendan,...) is speculation.
3) A SE Asian Civ (Siam/Thailand most likely) would absolutely deserve it to be in the game. A lot more than Korea. Scotland? What about Bavaria?

 

[majk-iii]

...or even the Kmhers... even if they only ruled for a short while.
That's not the red kmhers, but the ones in the middle ages.

 

[Welsh Warrior]

Now that the subject's come up, I always thought that the "America" civ was more than a little contrived. While the US is certainly a major player on the current glabal stage (for good or ill), we are definetly "johnny come latelies" in terms of global civilzation. History will only tell how significant an impact we'll really have when the dust settles, but compared to the Chinese, Greeks, Egyptians, Indians, Romans, Mongols, Arabs, etc. we're light-weights.

Besides, Lincoln in his little mammoth skin cap is just silly.

And as long as we're wondering why there isn't a particular civ, I've always thought there should be a "Jewish" civ. (And no, I don't mean the hordes of Egyptian slaves . . .)

I'm with you in part.

As far as America is concerned, perhaps there could be a scenario whereby America is only populated by indiginous tribes. Until... one of the other civilizations finally "discovers" it later in the game and at that point, the settlers have an opportunity to splinter from the main civilization and begin afresh with all the technology of the original civ but with a smaller population and less money but an abundance of resources which would allow speedy economic growth.

At this point, the player has the choice of abandoning the old empire for the new civ or attempt to continue to rule the new colonies.

I think there is a place for "Americans" but I they should only feature later in the game. there should be extra kudos for setting up a second empire.