Anyone else feel... cheated?

[EasyBee]

What I hate most about ciV is complaints like this. Its like buying a magazine that you love and then complaining about the layout decisions.

Btw, shouldn't this have been posted in the rants thread? I guess the op didn't want the important observation to get missed by those looking for relevant topics.

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[ArmChairAttila]

aaaaaaaaa

 

[Yngvi]

Then ignore it like so many writers in the story section have managed to do. So, the part about the leader history angers you because you think it messes with your ability to roleplay and create your own history. HOWEVER, the fact that you get pre-determined UUs that you must research the pre-determined technology for doesn't bother you?

Again, if this such a big issue, turns the speakers off. You didn't explain why you couldn't simply turn the speakers off and push play when the game is done loading.



The Yellow Emperor would make more sense than anything. One started the insane Cultural Revolution and the other one didn't. Therefore, the Yellow Emperor (whoever he is) is a better choice.

She did not start the Cultural Revolution; about a thousand years too early for that.

 

[cccv]

Go ahead and bash fantasy/roleplay all you want - it's essential to this kind of game. Think about it. Instead of granaries and libraries you could have "permanent bonus #1" and "permanent bonus #2". Do away with all the graphics and have different colored tiles, populated with different colored wood chips to represent units. Things like production and gold could be nameless point counters associated with tiles labeled "point generation hubs" instead of cities.

Every game in this entire genre of games is a marriage of fantasy and math. And fantasy is in the driver's seat. Math is just the vehicle.

I don't think anyone is bashing roleplay. We're bashing the odd interpretation OP is making that the game is telling us what kind of empire we're supposed to build. Like I said, this is supposed to be an alternate reality. Telling me that Greece conquered a lot under Alexander in this reality doesn't mean I think "awww crap, now I'd better conquer a lot in the reality I'm going to create here." That's just silly.

She did not start the Cultural Revolution; about a thousand years too early for that.

He wasn't talking about Wu. He was responding to someone who said he liked Mao.

 

[P-Zombie]

I don't think anyone is bashing roleplay.

Maybe I'm reading too much into Sonereal's response. It seemed like the "it's just fluff, why do you care" put-down was being trotted out again. Maybe you're right and that's not what he meant.

 

[P-Zombie]

What I hate most about ciV is complaints like this. Its like buying a magazine that you love and then complaining about the layout decisions.
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Strange logic.

If I bought a magazine and the layout sucked, I would absolutely be annoyed. I'm paying for visual media, I expect it to look like someone with a clue made it. For instance, if the pictures were all positioned on the fold, so you couldn't view them flat without pulling out the staples...that would be pretty annoying...right?

 

[jagdtigerciv]

Personally, I agree with OP that the biographies are junk, and to an extent -- they can wreck the mood of the opening. Especially since even from a historical stand point, most of them are pretty bad and even contain historical stereotypes and many fallacies.

However, they do not effect gameplay and only "discourage roleplaying" for basically only a few seconds/minutes of loading time -- once the loading is over, you can think/feel whatever you want. That's what roleplaying is all about. Therefore, in my opinion, I disagree that these opening speeches have any dramatic effect whatsoever on the quality of the game beyond a few seconds of words.

 

[Medopu]

I might sound a bit narrow-minded but, have you considered,...not considering what he says.

I think that he says: " will you bring back your people to glory .... " with the emphasis on you choosing YES/NO. You might just say NO, I'll play it like I want.

It's probably important just for some guys like for example:
"there might be an american dude, who thinks russia was created between world wars and that there are bears on the streets that drink vodka. And when he starts playing as russia, because he accidentaly chose random civ, gets to read that they are not just some drunkards occupying vast emptiness of ice. And it is important for him, to know that cossacs are not tanks from WW2 and so on.. you get my point.

 

[civnoob13]

Yes, I've always thought that the intros are completely illogical.

 

[Marsoups]

Like many people have pointed out, the cities can be renamed, and you only have to listen to the biographies for as long as your computer takes to finish loading up the map and you to press start.

How you can manage to hate any dialog read by arguably one of the biggest still alive science fiction actors is beyond me, but I certainly don't feel cheated.

=P

Just wait a few years, on a future computer all you'll here is "Greetings, oh g---" CLICK --start your journey!

 

[Marsoups]

I think that he says: " will you bring back your people to glory .... " with the emphasis on you choosing YES/NO. You might just say NO, I'll play it like I want.

You choose have to click YES or NO, clicking NO crashes to desktop.

 

[Menzies]

Oh noes! There's an intro to the game that makes reference to the fact that there was such a leader as George Washington or Catherine the Great!!! How dare they, how dare they!

Seriously though this thread is just ridiculous...

 

[squadbroken]

OP doesn't understand the plot of Civ games.
A race of highly advanced and extremely bored aliens travelled through time, kidnapping famous Earth leaders. Once they collected enough, they made them immortal and placed them on random Earth-like planets, forcing them to pit their wits against each other in millenia-long competitions to see who is the best.

tl;dr: Civ is Quake 3 but with politicians

 

[torni]

How you can manage to hate any dialog read by arguably one of the biggest still alive science fiction actors is beyond me, but I certainly don't feel cheated.

=P

What?! You had your dialog read by William Shatner? Mine were read by some old dude who has trouble breathing.

 

[He-Who-Hunts]

This thread made me lol,

But you know i totally agree, I loved in civ 4 how Nimoy gave that epic speech about the earth forming, the dawn of civilization and all that jazz.

Its not really a deal breaker tho... but still... LOL

 

[strhopper]

Wow this is just a rant, and there is a thread for that. Really just don't read the bio and turn your volume off

 

[Misterboy]

Sometimes it feels like people are desperate to find reasons to dislike Civ 5. This one seems like a bit of a stretch to me. But if you really have to point out your particular dislike, put it in the correct forum next time.

Personally I like the intros because they give me some historical background about leaders/civs that I might not know much about. They also do a great job of setting up the epic nature of what is about to take place.

And finally, maybe my computer is faster than most, but he only gets to read a sentence or so before I can skip it if I like.

 

[strhopper]

Sometimes it feels like people are desperate to find reasons to dislike Civ 5. This one seems like a bit of a stretch to me. But if you really have to point out your particular dislike, put it in the correct forum next time.

Personally I like the intros because they give me some historical background about leaders/civs that I might not know much about. They also do a great job of setting up the epic nature of what is about to take place.

And finally, maybe my computer is faster than most, but he only gets to read a sentence or so before I can skip it if I like.

Ditto, I have two solid state drives in raid 0 so there's all most nothing said before I get to click start journey

 

[Menzies]

Coming next week:

This game is rubbish, I cut myself on the box whilst opening it hasn't stop bleeding. I know that I should go to a doctor, but really... How could they release rubbish like that. What's more, my disc couldn't handle being thrown around like a Frisbee, I mean really, this is ridiculous!

 

[thadian]

I get sick of the screens, too. there is no loading bar, and it feels like the old tomb raider days where your waiting to play and not playing.