Till
Adventurer
Very interesting read. I'm learning quite a bit by following Aragon's development!
Aragon AAR - Catalan Indepedence
- Thread starter Dell19
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-0blivion-
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Dell - or anyone i guess.
Whatcha reckon is the best way to get started in EUII, I have the game sitting next to me (not installed yet). So I'll fire it up, whats the first thing i should do? You keep mentioning this AGCEEP mod, which sounds pretty good and i do intend to download. Should i play Vanilla first or AGCEEP first?
Whatcha reckon is the best way to get started in EUII, I have the game sitting next to me (not installed yet). So I'll fire it up, whats the first thing i should do? You keep mentioning this AGCEEP mod, which sounds pretty good and i do intend to download. Should i play Vanilla first or AGCEEP first?
Reno
The Studio Ghibli Fanatic
-0blivion- said:
First thing is to update the game to the latest version.
http://www.paradoxplaza.com/Downloads.asp (EU II update is at the bottom)
If you want more variety (And possibly more historicality) to the game, then install the AGCEEP mod.
http://perso.numericable.fr/~yodamaster/AGCEEP/introduction.htm
If you want to learn the game first though, you should test the vanilla version first. Trying some easy nation like England or France first is a good idea for a starter too
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
I find the Ottoman Empire a very good starter nation to play in vanilla EU2.
Kan' Sharuminar said:I find the Ottoman Empire a very good starter nation to play in vanilla EU2.
Yeah those are the three good starter nations. All big countries that don't necessarily rely heavily on events like Austria inheriting their neighbours and not dull dull dull like Castile.
Its probably worth playing Vanilla initially although AGCEEP is generally better. Playing as Portugal may be more fun in Vanilla as I don't believe they have quite as many events in vanilla.
An Austrian arrived in Enric’s court in 1580 begging him to support his claim to the crown of Austria. Enric considered the proposal for some time however there were few remaining Austrian provinces that would be beneficial to gain and people still remembered the price that was paid for victory in the last war. The pretender was sent on his way to beg another nation to support his claim. The chance for war had confirmed to Enric that the next war would be against a united France. Ever since the conquest of Languedoc it was inevitable that further wars would be fought as our two nations battled for supremacy. Enric would wait for France to be united before striking as he wished it to be a fair fight in the eyes of the rest of the world.
The wait would allow for more mayors to be promoted in our provinces and our colonies to be expanded. Bizarrely France annexed Holland who also controlled Brittany. This forced Enric to act earlier than he had planned. Brandenburg and Hannover were allies of France who should not pose a major threat in the south. Our war aim would be to finally conquer Provence and gain at least three other provinces. War was declared in 1583. Bourgogne, Poitou, Provence and Bearn were our initial targets. Three of those provinces were placed under siege whilst the Bourgogne met heavy French resistance. A first battle was won and then a second however reinforcements would now be required.
Berri was placed under siege by our troops whilst an army from Brandenburg began a siege in Franche Comte - they would be left alone for now. In July reinforcements arrived in Bourgogne to begin a siege whilst a Papal army marched north to face the Brandenburg army. Brandenburg reinforcements arrived at the same time to increase the size of their army to 40 000 men. That force was twice the size of the Papal army however God smiled down on the Papal army and they were victorious with minimal casualties. Would the French army now crumble?
Apparently the French were stronger than we thought as they marched into Franche Comte as soon as the Papal army had left. The first fort to fall would be Berri in the middle of France, oddly the last province to be placed under siege by our troops. The freed army moved north towards Maine. The French alliance seemed intent on sending every man they had to lay siege to Franche Comte and as a result 8000 of their troops died in two months from starvation. In May Poitou fell to our troops. In July the French army reached Berri to begin a new siege after abandoning Franche Comte. At the end of the month Bourgogne and Bearn fell to our armies, which then moved north to begin new sieges.
A siege in Moubihan began whilst our eastern armies delayed their advance to wait for 60 000 Brandenburg troops to march across their path – heading towards Berri. In October sieges finally began in Nivernais and Lorraine whilst we conquered Maine and began another siege in Armor.
Nearly 100 000 troops were now in Berri and surely the fort would soon fall back into French hands. Provence would fall next though at the end of November and our war objectives had finally been achieved. Now we just had to make the French realise that the war was over. Before the end of 1584 the war was over. France would hand over Bourgogne, Poitou, Bearn and Provence which matched our aim at the start of the war and finally removed the French from the Mediterranean. Our reputation was now extremely bad and 0.8 away from triggering the bad boy wars. In 1585 Guadeloupe became our third colony to reach city status which prompted a new period of exploration that ordered to set sail towards North America.
France was not long at peace as war broke out once again between their alliance and the Palatinate, Huguenots and Saxony. Several of our new French citizens commented that they were glad to be able to live in peace whilst their previous ruler became involved in another terrible war. The Swiss were less happy about having a new ruler and revolted. The French Catholics had joined our alliance after peace was signed and declared war against France. Enric saw no option but to honour the alliance and thus we suddenly found ourselves back at war with France which broke the peace agreement. Sieges began in Nivernais and Orleans however much of Franch had already fallen to the Huguenots.
Armor was soon also under siege after our army defeated rebels in the province and after less than a month the province was ours. Auvergne, Britagne and Normandee were next to fall under siege after the French agreed peace with the Huguenots by ceding Maine and Berri. Nivernais soon fell and the siege of Paris began. In January of 1589, Bretagne was taken and the army moved south to Moubihan. Orleans fell next whilst the only visible French army fought the French Catholics in Champagne. Whether victorious or not the French then moved on to siege Lorraine which was still held by the Palatinate. In June Manhatten was colonised after it had been discovered in the previous year.
August would be a strange month. The French Catholics abandoned our alliance to become vassals of Spain whilst the Huguenots collapsed and were annexed by France. Suddenly a nation that had looked dead and buried had started to look dangerous again. Morbihan was captured and marched south towards Vendee which was now once again under French control, however the army was not large enough and thus headed instead to Berri. Auvergne fell in October and more importantly Paris soon fell afterwards where new maps were found. Limousin was the next province to be placed under siege as the Aragon armies continued their campaign. December 1589 would see the end of the war as France ceded Artois to the French Catholics and more importantly we gained Auvergne, Moubihan, Nivernais and Orleans. In five years Enric had led Aragon to capture much of France.
Oddly at this point our war score is over 42 and thus the bad buy wars should have triggered but they haven’t. The game has been on Normal/Normal from the start. Although I’ve never actually been able to trigger them once my nation reached this sort of size.
The wait would allow for more mayors to be promoted in our provinces and our colonies to be expanded. Bizarrely France annexed Holland who also controlled Brittany. This forced Enric to act earlier than he had planned. Brandenburg and Hannover were allies of France who should not pose a major threat in the south. Our war aim would be to finally conquer Provence and gain at least three other provinces. War was declared in 1583. Bourgogne, Poitou, Provence and Bearn were our initial targets. Three of those provinces were placed under siege whilst the Bourgogne met heavy French resistance. A first battle was won and then a second however reinforcements would now be required.
Berri was placed under siege by our troops whilst an army from Brandenburg began a siege in Franche Comte - they would be left alone for now. In July reinforcements arrived in Bourgogne to begin a siege whilst a Papal army marched north to face the Brandenburg army. Brandenburg reinforcements arrived at the same time to increase the size of their army to 40 000 men. That force was twice the size of the Papal army however God smiled down on the Papal army and they were victorious with minimal casualties. Would the French army now crumble?
Apparently the French were stronger than we thought as they marched into Franche Comte as soon as the Papal army had left. The first fort to fall would be Berri in the middle of France, oddly the last province to be placed under siege by our troops. The freed army moved north towards Maine. The French alliance seemed intent on sending every man they had to lay siege to Franche Comte and as a result 8000 of their troops died in two months from starvation. In May Poitou fell to our troops. In July the French army reached Berri to begin a new siege after abandoning Franche Comte. At the end of the month Bourgogne and Bearn fell to our armies, which then moved north to begin new sieges.
A siege in Moubihan began whilst our eastern armies delayed their advance to wait for 60 000 Brandenburg troops to march across their path – heading towards Berri. In October sieges finally began in Nivernais and Lorraine whilst we conquered Maine and began another siege in Armor.
Nearly 100 000 troops were now in Berri and surely the fort would soon fall back into French hands. Provence would fall next though at the end of November and our war objectives had finally been achieved. Now we just had to make the French realise that the war was over. Before the end of 1584 the war was over. France would hand over Bourgogne, Poitou, Bearn and Provence which matched our aim at the start of the war and finally removed the French from the Mediterranean. Our reputation was now extremely bad and 0.8 away from triggering the bad boy wars. In 1585 Guadeloupe became our third colony to reach city status which prompted a new period of exploration that ordered to set sail towards North America.
France was not long at peace as war broke out once again between their alliance and the Palatinate, Huguenots and Saxony. Several of our new French citizens commented that they were glad to be able to live in peace whilst their previous ruler became involved in another terrible war. The Swiss were less happy about having a new ruler and revolted. The French Catholics had joined our alliance after peace was signed and declared war against France. Enric saw no option but to honour the alliance and thus we suddenly found ourselves back at war with France which broke the peace agreement. Sieges began in Nivernais and Orleans however much of Franch had already fallen to the Huguenots.
Armor was soon also under siege after our army defeated rebels in the province and after less than a month the province was ours. Auvergne, Britagne and Normandee were next to fall under siege after the French agreed peace with the Huguenots by ceding Maine and Berri. Nivernais soon fell and the siege of Paris began. In January of 1589, Bretagne was taken and the army moved south to Moubihan. Orleans fell next whilst the only visible French army fought the French Catholics in Champagne. Whether victorious or not the French then moved on to siege Lorraine which was still held by the Palatinate. In June Manhatten was colonised after it had been discovered in the previous year.
August would be a strange month. The French Catholics abandoned our alliance to become vassals of Spain whilst the Huguenots collapsed and were annexed by France. Suddenly a nation that had looked dead and buried had started to look dangerous again. Morbihan was captured and marched south towards Vendee which was now once again under French control, however the army was not large enough and thus headed instead to Berri. Auvergne fell in October and more importantly Paris soon fell afterwards where new maps were found. Limousin was the next province to be placed under siege as the Aragon armies continued their campaign. December 1589 would see the end of the war as France ceded Artois to the French Catholics and more importantly we gained Auvergne, Moubihan, Nivernais and Orleans. In five years Enric had led Aragon to capture much of France.
Oddly at this point our war score is over 42 and thus the bad buy wars should have triggered but they haven’t. The game has been on Normal/Normal from the start. Although I’ve never actually been able to trigger them once my nation reached this sort of size.
This map shows the gains made in our three recent wars in France
Lime Green are provinces gained against the Huguenots (1568-70)
Light Blue are provinces gained in the first stage of war against France (1582-84)
Yellow are provinces gained in the second stage of the war against France (1587-1589)
Lime Green are provinces gained against the Huguenots (1568-70)
Light Blue are provinces gained in the first stage of war against France (1582-84)
Yellow are provinces gained in the second stage of the war against France (1587-1589)
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
Are Sweden and France together or are they only a slightly different shade of blue?
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
They'll be a slightly different shade of blue. Sweden is a little lighter, I think.
Enric surveyed the maps of his Kingdom and knew that there would never truly be peace in France until it was united under one rule. The capture of Orleans and Caux belonging to Spain meant that France was no longer connected to their remaining provinces in the west. Enric would not start a new war though, preferring to concentrate on upgrading the country’s infrastructure and continued exploration. Whilst doing so he observed the ongoing wars to the North which were tearing the lowlands apart with rebels controlling a number of provinces. He was pleased to note that Hungary had remained at peace with Austria since our rescue attempt.
Those revolts led to the Netherlands reappearing in 1593 although France did have some good news as they annexed the French Catholics. In 1594 the French gained Luxemburg from the Palatinate which perhaps meant that the French were not yet beaten. In 1595 we were the first nation to reach California as our explorers headed up the west coast whilst on the east coast Manhatten became a city. A string of rebellions in Firenze, Sicily and Dalmatia occurred as the people protested at our violent actions. Another rebellion occurred in Siena and a factory was burnt to the ground in Sicily – bad luck was not seen as the likely cause.
Sacremento was colonised in 1597. As the 16th century drew to a close Aragon began to find itself in a race with England to colonise the North American coast line. We had colonised Manhatten, Roanoke and Carolina whilst England colonised Delaware, Santee and many more provinces in the colder North. Holland was annexed through force by France however Aragon could not act to gain revenge as our stability was too low. Chesapeake was colonised in 1599 by Aragon and in December we renewed our alliance with the Papal States. Susquehanna was colonised in 1600 as we attempted to grab as much of North America as possible. Sevannah was colonised the following year.
*I would go to war again with France but stability now takes 50 years to rise normally so I pretty much have to wait for a stability event.
Those revolts led to the Netherlands reappearing in 1593 although France did have some good news as they annexed the French Catholics. In 1594 the French gained Luxemburg from the Palatinate which perhaps meant that the French were not yet beaten. In 1595 we were the first nation to reach California as our explorers headed up the west coast whilst on the east coast Manhatten became a city. A string of rebellions in Firenze, Sicily and Dalmatia occurred as the people protested at our violent actions. Another rebellion occurred in Siena and a factory was burnt to the ground in Sicily – bad luck was not seen as the likely cause.
Sacremento was colonised in 1597. As the 16th century drew to a close Aragon began to find itself in a race with England to colonise the North American coast line. We had colonised Manhatten, Roanoke and Carolina whilst England colonised Delaware, Santee and many more provinces in the colder North. Holland was annexed through force by France however Aragon could not act to gain revenge as our stability was too low. Chesapeake was colonised in 1599 by Aragon and in December we renewed our alliance with the Papal States. Susquehanna was colonised in 1600 as we attempted to grab as much of North America as possible. Sevannah was colonised the following year.
*I would go to war again with France but stability now takes 50 years to rise normally so I pretty much have to wait for a stability event.
In 1602 a trade centre opened in distant Sacramento which would attract new settlers to the province. 1608 marked the end of our infrastructure upgrade in Europe. In 1612 Alfons VII rose to the throne as the colonisation of America continued. Two further provinces had been colonised and three colonies had reached city status. In September 1617 our stability increased and war was immediately declared on the Palatinate who had no allies and their military had a poor reputation of losing every war their fought.
Our initial assaults into Alsace, Baden, Schwyz and Wirtemberg were all successful however the Baden army was soon forced to retreat. The war was a disastrous failure. All four armies were pushed back in turn, however the Palatinate did not press their advantage preferring to use their home terrain as an advantage. Occasionally victories were gained with Schwyz being taken after an assault on the fort however casualties were high and Aragon had met much stronger resistance than expected. Numerous times our attempts to siege Alsace were thwarted. As a result taxes rose further to pay for reinforcements.
In November of 1619 we somehow managed to take the Palatinate capital, Phalz. Another failure occurred in Wirtemberg as our army was caught out by winter and a Palatinate army. In April 1621 we finally gained Wirtemberg after seeing our army in Alsace completely annihilated. Finally light could be seen at the end of the tunnel as the Palatinate’s army maintained a siege in Phalz allowing our armies to begin two new sieges. Baden and Wurzberg fell in 1622 and in May the Palatinate regained Phalz. In June our army in Alsace secured a much needed victory to force the Palatinate to return to Phalz. In October Alsace repelled a second invasion as our reinforcements arrived just in time.
In 1623 the Palatinate army was once again defeated in Alsace which was finally captured along with Saxony. In September the war would effectively be won. Every army of Aragon had amassed in Alsace totalling 30 000 troops and finally this army was able to crush the Palatinate army. Our army chased the fleeing troops into Phalz which was eventually captured. 1625 marked the end of the war as we gained Schwyz, Baden, Alscace, Wirtemberg and Wurzberg, however it felt like a defeat. The war had lasted eight years with taxes higher than usual and our military had largely been destroyed. We were not the masters of Europe as our technology and territory had seemed to suggest. So absorbed in the fighting, Alfons had failed to notice that Brandenburg had annexed Prussia and become a dangerous foe in the north.
Our initial assaults into Alsace, Baden, Schwyz and Wirtemberg were all successful however the Baden army was soon forced to retreat. The war was a disastrous failure. All four armies were pushed back in turn, however the Palatinate did not press their advantage preferring to use their home terrain as an advantage. Occasionally victories were gained with Schwyz being taken after an assault on the fort however casualties were high and Aragon had met much stronger resistance than expected. Numerous times our attempts to siege Alsace were thwarted. As a result taxes rose further to pay for reinforcements.
In November of 1619 we somehow managed to take the Palatinate capital, Phalz. Another failure occurred in Wirtemberg as our army was caught out by winter and a Palatinate army. In April 1621 we finally gained Wirtemberg after seeing our army in Alsace completely annihilated. Finally light could be seen at the end of the tunnel as the Palatinate’s army maintained a siege in Phalz allowing our armies to begin two new sieges. Baden and Wurzberg fell in 1622 and in May the Palatinate regained Phalz. In June our army in Alsace secured a much needed victory to force the Palatinate to return to Phalz. In October Alsace repelled a second invasion as our reinforcements arrived just in time.
In 1623 the Palatinate army was once again defeated in Alsace which was finally captured along with Saxony. In September the war would effectively be won. Every army of Aragon had amassed in Alsace totalling 30 000 troops and finally this army was able to crush the Palatinate army. Our army chased the fleeing troops into Phalz which was eventually captured. 1625 marked the end of the war as we gained Schwyz, Baden, Alscace, Wirtemberg and Wurzberg, however it felt like a defeat. The war had lasted eight years with taxes higher than usual and our military had largely been destroyed. We were not the masters of Europe as our technology and territory had seemed to suggest. So absorbed in the fighting, Alfons had failed to notice that Brandenburg had annexed Prussia and become a dangerous foe in the north.
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
It's sounding very, very ominous.
Can we get some screenies of the New World and Africa? I'm interested in how England is doing (curse them for taking Scotland) as well as getting a visualiation on Aragon holdings.
Can we get some screenies of the New World and Africa? I'm interested in how England is doing (curse them for taking Scotland) as well as getting a visualiation on Aragon holdings.
Wurzburg converted to the state religion in 1627. In the following years England fought a colonial war against Spain and Portugal in North America where several colonies were destroyed. We were able to colonise Talahassee and Seminole which had previously been Spanish colonies whilst Spain gained four colonies in the North from England in a peace deal. In June 1631 our stability increased and once again it signalled the beginning of war. This time it would be against France and Brandenburg where our troops would initially be hopelessly outnumbered.
Orleans and Wurzburg were both captured as our armies avoided direct conflict with France and their allies. The army that took Orleans had consisted of 130 000 men. Maine fell to our troops in August whilst the French captured Nivernais in November. In December Bretagne was captured and Orleans liberated. An Army from Hannover was destroyed at the third attempt in Maine and in the south Cevannes was besieged by the Papal States. In May Alsace fell to Brandenburg whilst we captured Armor and placed Paris under siege. In July Nivernais was recaptured and Paris was once more placed under siege after being forced to retreat. Champagne, Alsace and Artois were also placed under siege.
Berri was captured in November and the army then broke the French siege of Poitou and defeated an army from Brandenburg in the following month. Paris fell in February. The war ended in March as we accepted the French proposal, we would gain Bretagne, Normandee, Limousin, Maine and Berri. Alfons could now claim to control France. In 1639 we gained a new explorer and in 1640 we met the Iroquois. In 1644 our alliance expired and the Papal States chose to join a different alliance.
Looking back on our last two wars it was strange to note that against a much tougher alliance and beginning with few troops we were more successful than against a lone nation when we had several armies. The four factors that stand out was difficult terrain for large sieges against the Palatinate, the war being entirely defensive on their part, that the border was much wider with France allowing us to lay siege to several provinces whilst they concentrated elsewhere and that we raised taxes earlier in the war.
America: (Red crosses indicate a city)
Aragon:
Orleans and Wurzburg were both captured as our armies avoided direct conflict with France and their allies. The army that took Orleans had consisted of 130 000 men. Maine fell to our troops in August whilst the French captured Nivernais in November. In December Bretagne was captured and Orleans liberated. An Army from Hannover was destroyed at the third attempt in Maine and in the south Cevannes was besieged by the Papal States. In May Alsace fell to Brandenburg whilst we captured Armor and placed Paris under siege. In July Nivernais was recaptured and Paris was once more placed under siege after being forced to retreat. Champagne, Alsace and Artois were also placed under siege.
Berri was captured in November and the army then broke the French siege of Poitou and defeated an army from Brandenburg in the following month. Paris fell in February. The war ended in March as we accepted the French proposal, we would gain Bretagne, Normandee, Limousin, Maine and Berri. Alfons could now claim to control France. In 1639 we gained a new explorer and in 1640 we met the Iroquois. In 1644 our alliance expired and the Papal States chose to join a different alliance.
Looking back on our last two wars it was strange to note that against a much tougher alliance and beginning with few troops we were more successful than against a lone nation when we had several armies. The four factors that stand out was difficult terrain for large sieges against the Palatinate, the war being entirely defensive on their part, that the border was much wider with France allowing us to lay siege to several provinces whilst they concentrated elsewhere and that we raised taxes earlier in the war.
America: (Red crosses indicate a city)
Aragon:
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
Wow, you have a pretty large nation now.
Why oh why do the AGREEP developers think it is a good idea to have a civil war event that occurs roughly every two years once your empire gets to a certain size? I can sort of understand why it should occasionally occur but the current rate is too high and makes the game unplayable.
The main events recently:
Civil war
War against Austria (Gained 5 provinces)
Civil war (Quits)
During this time I've reloaded about five times to miss civil war events. If I play this game again I will be deleting the event.
deo
Emperor
Well, IIRC a Civil War happens when you get too much BB, and to gain that you need to expand, it has nothing to do with size i think.
BTW, What to you think, we should group some players here from CFC and play MP? Or we could make a sort of Succesion Game, for example, one plays from 1419 to 1479, the next plays from 1479 to 1539 etc and make an AAR about it here?
Oh and, Great AAR Dell!
BTW, What to you think, we should group some players here from CFC and play MP? Or we could make a sort of Succesion Game, for example, one plays from 1419 to 1479, the next plays from 1479 to 1539 etc and make an AAR about it here?
Oh and, Great AAR Dell!
Ah okay that explains it better however I would rather have my neighbours declare war on me than civil wars that eat my armies and provinces. If I had known about that I would have been more careful about bad boy points however after a certain point all that is left is to conquer the world.
We could start an AAR I guess.
We could start an AAR I guess.
