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Are the expedition Artifacts a RNG die roll result?

Discussion in 'CivBE - General Discussions' started by CaptainPatch, Oct 19, 2015.

  1. CaptainPatch

    CaptainPatch Lifelong gamer

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    That is, does the program 1) complete the expedition, and then 2) do a RNG die roll then? Or are Artifacts kind of scripted? As in, "This one appears after the fifth expedition. This one after the ninth." Etc. If a RNG result, would it be possible to Save just before expedition, then expedition finishes with no Artifact, then Load the Save and keep doing that until an Artifact appears?

    Is there a definitive list of available Artifacts anywhere? Any mix formulas to tell what any three given Artifacts will yield?
     
  2. Callonia

    Callonia Chieftain

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    No idea, But I did find an artifact that gave me 100% vision range so combined with pantopi8can wonder.. that made every single military unit of mine have five vision range instead of default two vision range. Now I know what AI feels like when they see my military force coming and there's nothing they can do about it. That one is freaking awesome, never knew how much of a difference having 5 vision range instead of two made.
     
  3. Rolaran

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    Can't answer the RNG questions, but it looks as though there is a complete list of available artifacts in the in-game Civilopedia.
     
  4. mnf

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    TL;DR is at the bolded "HOWEVER" below.

    Each artifact has a "preferred" reward. The following lists mean this:

    Category Name of the listed rewards
    • Reward 1 name: Artifact 1 name, Artifact 2 name
    • Reward 2 name: Artifact 6 name
    This list means that Artifact 1 and Artifact 2 both "prefer" to give Reward 1; and Artifact 6 "prefers" to give Reward 2.

    Old Earth category rewards (unlocks buildings):
    • Warp Spire (domestic trade routes +50% yield): Suspended animation chamber, Near lightspeed accelerator, Polypeptor organic antifreeze, High mass friction welder
    • Drone Command (work 2 more tiles than a city has citizens): Senor caffeine, Drone hive mind, Clean air generator, Butuiller family drone
    • Old Voice Archives (+10% yields when at war): Personal meditaion helmet, Toymark media cube, Messiah stradivarius, Isotopic decay three
    • Pan Spectral Observatory (orbital units +100 production, orbital strike range +2): Volumetric component printer, Plasma turbine engine, Silver pont navigation gyroscope, Impossible drive
    • Frontier Stadium (city defense +10, military units start with 1 free promotion): Hull repair suit, Jowler ball field set, Lineage two interactive family tree, Thoughtful chess set
    • Xenomass Bath House (culture +2, units in city heal 100% after 1 turn): Collapsing family library, Speech compression computer, Population estimation computer, Telemed remote operating theatre
    All these listed artifacts themselves belong to the Old Earth category.

    Alien World category rewards:
    • Zygotic Engineering (outpost growth speed +100%): Ross weed, Noose vertebrae, Giant pheromone sack
    • Sky Chitin (air units +50% strength and +3 range): Lattus ore, Cloud coral, Macroelectrons, Breeze weed, Carbon hail
    • Counter Battery Fire (siege units ability unlock: lower enemy unit's defense by 20% for the rest of your turn): Seismic sounding fork, Zero point soil, Pressured magma sample, Mobius horn
    • Vapor Shield (all units +100% defense when embarked): Jelly stalk ring, Soap seed, Acidic crystals, Flexible keratin tusk
    • Projected Chasis Construction (worker movement +2): Cocoon flies, Crystal shrimp pupa, Floating canopy worms, Electric brain moss
    • Tidal Navigation (naval units defense against ranged attacks +100%): Crystal shrimp adult, Carnivorous hive heels, Heterophobic solution, Tungsten bubbles
    All these listed artifacts themselves belong to the Alien World category.

    Progenitor category rewards:
    • Tesselation Foundry (military units cost 30% less production): Geon spores, Single pass geometry, Tesselation vault, Atomic tesselator
    • Dimension Folding Complex (city population unhealth -50%): Jelly space, Planes of dimensional influence, Dimension oven, The folder
    • Machine Assisted Free Will (tech costs 30% less): Void spectre, M theory capsule, Sporadic listener, Unknown progenitor
    • Temporal Calculus (all units visibility +2): Auratic magnet, Models of entropy, Casual looking glass, Deviation fork
    • Quantum Politics (virtue acquisition speed +100%): Superposition containment device, Superposition, Decoherence chamber, Fundamental object
    • Relativistic Data Bank (all cities -1 intrigue per turn): Temporal injector, String weaver, Fixed position locator, Bright matter
    All these listed artifacts themselves belong to the Progenitor category.

    Hybrid category rewards:
    • Tesseract Targeting: cities can bombard through terrain obstacles
    • Soul Discerner Training: covert operations speed +25%
    • Xenoanthopology: discover artifacts 20% more often
    • Slumber Slaughter Extract: worker build speed +50%
    • Ground Penetraing Lidar: expedition speed +100%
    • Statecraft: +2 diplomatic capital from agreements
    Note that these rewards are not "preferred" by any artifact.

    How the code works:
    Spoiler :
    Skimming through the code in assets\DLC\Expansion1\Gameplay\Lua\ArtifactUtilities.lua, it seems that the game compiles a list of rewards (any reward you have already received before are ignored; can't receive the same reward twice) and then randomly pick one from the list, in this way:
    1. List starts empty
    2. add the preferred reward from each of the 3 artifacts into List
    3. if the 3 artifacts don't all come from the same category, then also add all the Hybrid rewards into List
    4. if List is still empty, add all rewards that belong to the same category as each of the 3 artifacts into List
    5. if List is still empty, add all possible reward (OE+AW+Pr+Hy) into List
    6. if List is still empty, panick and throw an error
    7. finally randomly pick one from List as the reward


    EIL5 (Explain Like I'm 5) version:
    • Each artifact belongs to a "category" (i.e. Old Earth=OE, Alien World=AW, or Progenitor=Pr), and each artifact has a "preferred reward".
    • A special "Hybrid" category has no artifacts, only rewards.
    • What you get after combining 3 artifacts depends on the preferred rewards of those 3 artifacts.
    • If all 3 preferred rewards are the same, you get that reward 100%. Else it's equal chance among the possible rewards.
    • When all the preferred rewards are rewards you've already got, then you have equal chance to get any one of the remaining rewards in the categories to which the 3 artifacts belong.
    • When any of the 3 artifacts you combine belong to a different "category", or if you have exhausted all other rewards, then all the Hybrid rewards are thrown in as candidates.

    So basically if you're aiming for OE/AW/Pr rewards, you can aim for 100% if you have 3 artifacts listed under your target reward. Failing 100%, you should aim to have at least 2 artifacts that prefer your target ward, then add in a 3rd artifact from the same category. This gives you a 66% chance. Failing that you can combine artifacts from the same category but all preferring different rewards, giving you a 33% chance.

    If you throw in even 1 artifact from a different category, you pollute your draw with everything in the Hybrid category.

    Note that there's an interesting little trick. Any artifact that prefers a reward you have already received can be used as filler for other rewards from that same category without lowering the probability.

    For example, let's look at only the Drone Command and the Old Voice Archive. Say you used Senor Caffeine, Drone Hive Mind, and Clean Air Generator to 100% get Drone Command, and you still have the Butuiller Family Drone artifact. Then you could combine Personal Meditaion Helmet and Toymark Media Cube with the Butuiller for 100% chance to get the Old Voice Archive, because you can't receive the Drone Command reward again. (Note that this only works with all artifacts in the same category.)

    Another twist is that if you use 3 artifacts from the same category, yet you have received the preferred reward of all 3 artifacts, then you have an equal chance to get one of the remaining rewards from that category.

    For example you have received War Spire, Drone Command, and Old Voice Archives. Then you combine Suspended Animation Chamber + Senor Caffeine + Personal Meditation Helmet, then you will receive one of the remaining 3 rewards in the Old Earth category with each reward having equal chance.


    HOWEVER, in practice, because you can see the result of the combine and are able to cancel it if you don't like it, the optimal way to game the system is to try out all the different combinations as long as you have at least 1 artifact that prefers to give the reward you want. For example, Machine Assisted Free Will (tech costs 30% less) is preferred by Void spectre, M theory capsule, Sporadic listener, and Unknown progenitor. The moment you get one of these 4 artifacts, you should try to combine it with all your other artifacts (regardless of their category and preferred reward) and you might just get lucky and end up with Machine Assisted Free Will.

    Order of the combine doesn't matter because the possible reward "List" is sorted each time before taking the random number. Don't bother closing the window or clearing the slots and putting the same things back on because results won't change within the same generated game world. Results may change after save/load if you enabled the advanced setup option to get a new random seed each time. Also, results may change after each combine because the pool of possible rewards are reduced after each combine.

    So the simplest rules are:
    • If you want OE/AW/Pr rewards, try all the combinations of artifacts within the same category as the reward you want.
    • If you want Hybrid rewards, try all the combination that uses artifacts from at least 2 different categories.
    • After you have tried all combinations and the reward you want didn't show, bad luck, try again once you get another artifact that you can use in the two rules above.


    Lastly, please remember that I do not guarantee this is correct. It's what I gathered from skimming through the code. I may very well be wrong.
     
  5. Dux1

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    Great post, mnf. But how does the artifact quality (worn/battered/pristine) come into play? Or is that attribute just a red herring?
     
  6. Olodune

    Olodune Chieftain GOTM Staff

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    Clever. And great post, thanks. :goodjob:
     
  7. KrikkitTwo

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    I believe that affects the amount of the Other bonus (bonus science, production, culture, food, energy)
     
  8. mnf

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    Yes. The artifact quality has no effect whatsoever on the rewards you get.

    When you "process" artifacts, if you process 3 at once, it's called "cash in" in the codes, which gives you a tangible reward from one of the categories. If you process only 1 or 2, it's called "break down" in the codes, and you only get yields back, no tangible reward.

    The artifact qualities act as a modifier on the yields you get when you break down artifacts.

    EDIT: there's actually a thread specifically on artifact combos:
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=553613
     

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