Are you sticking with civ4?

[fathertuck]

And that's a problem how? (Supposed it were true, which it isn't, since Civ5 will probably generate a steady stream of new players for years, as his predecessors did.)

I know that you can ask whatever you want on this forum, but if the topic has been discussed several times already you end up reading the threads rather than taking part of the discussion yourself. You feel like the others are lightyears ahead of you, which they are. Is it a problem? Maybe not, but you miss out of a lot.

 

[Psyringe]

You feel like the others are lightyears ahead of you, which they are.

Well, maybe we're just different in this regard, but I still fail to see the problem. I rarely buy games on release, so when I start playing, I'm usually in the situation you describe. This has never interfered with my enjoyment of the game, and I don't see why I should let it. The obvious advantage is that I can play a matured product and get around the extended beta phase that's nowadays called "release". The fact that others know the game much better by then also means that if I get stuck, or something goes wrong, there's a much higher chance to find a solution. So what specifically is the "a lot" that you think I'm missing?

 

[fathertuck]

Well, maybe we're just different in this regard, but I still fail to see the problem. I rarely buy games on release, so when I start playing, I'm usually in the situation you describe. This has never interfered with my enjoyment of the game, and I don't see why I should let it. The obvious advantage is that I can play a matured product and get around the extended beta phase that's nowadays called "release". The fact that others know the game much better by then also means that if I get stuck, or something goes wrong, there's a much higher chance to find a solution. So what specifically is the "a lot" that you think I'm missing?

I don't play newly released games either, and BTS was the first civ4 version I ever played. This is nothing a regret.

But I will regret all the discussions I'll miss out when players starts discovering new bugs, tactics, gamefeatures, exploits and so on. When I start playing civ5 (in 2-3 years maybe) all these things have been discussed on the forum a zillion times already and I will once more feel like a complete noob dropping in 2-3 years too late. Well, maybe it's just me.

 

[Iranon]

If there is any game depth at all to the game, you can probably join late and still have many interesting things left to discuss... I certainly had great fun picking apart civ4 and felt there was plenty left to explore.

 

[Olfart]

I was hooked on Civ IV before I finished the tutorial. Hasn't happened on CiV. I find several of the CiV features appealing, but it seems to me more tedious than entertaining. I'll probably keep playing both, but elevating my Civ IV game a level seems more of a challenge for now. Here's another illustration of the principle that the best way to avoid disappointment is to keep your expectations low.

One other note: I'm surprised at how vitriolic some of the exchanges in the CiV forum have been. It IS a game. I experienced far more frustration raising three children than any game will ever produce.

 

[Verarde]

I'll probably play CiV and Civ4 still, as well as Civ3. Like I did with Civ3, when I got Civ4, I play both. Both have their own special qualities to them.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

One other note: I'm surprised at how vitriolic some of the exchanges in the CiV forum have been. It IS a game. I experienced far more frustration raising three children than any game will ever produce.

One other note: I'm surprised at how vitriolic some of the exchanges in the CiV forum have been. It IS a game. I experienced far more frustration raising three children than any game will ever produce.

Actually, I was thinking that the vitriol in the forum was terribly childish. Having no children of my own, I had no frame of reference, other than the whiny little twerps in Pediatrics I had to wrangle every three months or so.

It's nice to know that they are behaving worse than children. Thanks for putting that in perspective for me.

 

[duckstab]

I was originally sticking with Civ4 largely because of my ancient graphics card. I tried the Civ5 demo and it worked but sucked up one of my CPUs completely and so wasn't much fun.

Now, however, I'm mostly inclined to stick with Civ4 for a while just because it's more mature. It's been through two expansions and multiple patches, to say nothing of the value added by BUG, BAT, RFC, FFH, and all the other fine mods that are out there.

Civ5 was a very ambitious release and I think the folks behind it deserve a lot of credit. I'm saying this as a professional software developer myself. Major releases often make a lot of existing users unhappy. With such a huge rewrite there's bound to be bugs. With the introduction of so many new concepts there are bound to be a few that looked good in development but don't work so well in practice. I still have high hopes that Civ5 will form the basis of follow-on releases that are as playable and interesting as Civ4 is today, but it just isn't there yet for me.

 

[onemoreturnmike]

I will continue to play CIV IV because I fail to see the need to buy a new computer because I want to play CIV V. Once the one I have dies, I will buy a new one, and by then I will be able to get CIV V with the patches that you know will be created for it, already installed. Its the natural way of computer games. Its what I did with IV as well.....

 

[Olfart]

"Actually, I was thinking that the vitriol in the forum was terribly childish. Having no children of my own, I had no frame of reference, other than the whiny little twerps in Pediatrics I had to wrangle every three months or so."

@Lemon Merchant: Sounds like some of the CiV forums.

 

[JustOneMoreTurn]

I will continue to play Civ4 for a while. With the mods that are available this is a very polished game. I have downloaded the Civ5 demo and it runs fine on my rig. While there are some snazzy features compared to its predecessor it has a lot of rough edges. In the mean time I will keep playing Civ4 and wait at least 6 months before contemplating a purchase. By that time everyone should have already chimed in Civ5 and I can make a better decision. Also, by that time hopefully the prices will have come down and the economy will be better, also.

 

[fathertuck]

I have downloaded the Civ5 demo and it runs fine on my rig. While there are some snazzy features compared to its predecessor it has a lot of rough edges.

Played the demo first time yesterday, but it left me with a bitter aftertaste. Didn't feel much like a civ game to me, but I'm sure the developers will improve it with time.

 

[none]

I've played the demo too, not a fan of steam but a big fan of civ so I had to give it a try. Graphic wise it's nice but there are many differences that I don't really like. I'll stick with IV until V gets better (patches and extensions) by that time I'll probably have a new computer so the game will run as smoothly as IV on my current machine.

 

[sadmachines]

For now, yes. I can't get the demo to run and have tried everything I can find about it both here and elsewhere. I won't be investing in the game until I can at least run the demo.

 

[The Simple Mind]

Reading reviews on various forums it sound like V has a lot of flaws. So IV for me. Oh yeah, and there is also the small matter that I'll need a new machine to run V.

 

[Ignorant Teacher]

Just to let you guys know that I've put my Civilization V for sale. Hope it sells fast so I can also uninstall the Winblows.

 

[Ataxerxes]

Just to let you guys know that I've put my Civilization V for sale. Hope it sells fast so I can also uninstall the Winblows.

Now THAT's disappointment with the game!

I'm another who plans to wait a couple of years. With the mods and everything CivIV can last for a long, long time. I still go back to III sometimes as well. With all the patches and everything that will be required, I'm content to let smarter people be the guinea pigs.

 

[Psyringe]

Just to let you guys know that I've put my Civilization V for sale.

Just a heads-up - you probably know that already, but just in case: If you installed Civ5 already, you cannot separate it anymore from the Steam account on which you installed it, and you cant re-use the install key. So you'll have to sell your whole account. I'm not sure whether Steam allows that, so there may be further incoveniences if the buyer tries to update the account with his personal data - but I haven't checked that since I decided to keep a good distance from Steam anyway, so better ask someone who already did that.

 

[Ignorant Teacher]

Just a heads-up - you probably know that already, but just in case: If you installed Civ5 already, you cannot separate it anymore from the Steam account on which you installed it, and you cant re-use the install key. So you'll have to sell your whole account. I'm not sure whether Steam allows that, so there may be further incoveniences if the buyer tries to update the account with his personal data - but I haven't checked that since I decided to keep a good distance from Steam anyway, so better ask someone who already did that.

I'm selling the whole thing. I don't know if it is officially supported or encouraged, but before putting it on sale, I did some research and there is a history of people selling their accounts. I've been fiddling with the client and it seems I can change pretty much all the details so that won't be a problem. I'm just not sure about the achievements.

 

[Ghpstage]

To me playing the demo felt like playing how I imagine a tbs war mod for the Sims would be like....