I don't think this thread is meant to be a debate. It's just a straw-poll to see if there will still be a strong civ4 fan-base now that Civ5 is on the scene. It is obviously possible to like more than one game at once, but when there is a lot of overlap between games people tend to focus on one rather than the other. For example I never play Civ 1, 2, or 3 anymore; it isn't because those games are 'old', there are plenty of older games that I still play, I don't play the older civs because they have been superseded by Civ4. Another example: Civ 4 (vanilla) and Beyond the Sword are effectively different games, but very few people divide their Civ time equally between them. Civ 4 and Civ 5 obviously have a similar target audience. Some people are going to drop Civ 4 to play Civ 5 and never look back. Some people are going to stick with Civ 4 because they feel it is the better game. The purpose of this thread is just to get a feel for how many people intend to stick around... how many people are going to still be on the civ4 forums making mods and posting funny pictures and helping newbies and discussing parts of the game and so on. This isn't a fanboy war, or even a debate.