useless
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just because someone doesnt believe in your god/cult/religion makes then arrogent and infantile? How mature.
Atheism is something unique.
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just because someone doesnt believe in your god/cult/religion makes then arrogent and infantile? How mature.
GenMarshall
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I know a couple of atheists who do behave in an arrogant attitude.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
indeed and i know some religious people who do too.
aneeshm
Deity
He is the last, and the most important.
aneeshm
Deity
To all those who disagree with my first post, regarding their complete lack of understanding of non-Judachrislamic traditions: can any of you, without resorting to Google, and relying only on memory, name the four holy books of the Hindus? I'll even give you a hint - they're the Vedas. Now name them.
If you can't, then you'd better shut up, and accept that you're ignorant about other traditions.
If you can't, then you'd better shut up, and accept that you're ignorant about other traditions.
Prince_Imrahil
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So then your generalization is true and right while the one you criticize worth its critism? And why hinduism? What about Buddhism? Quite a few posters know about that and other religions. I myself know much about Taoism (academically of course, not a follower of any religion mind you)
Not even all the atheists you know only know judaic religions and I doubt are all arrogant and here you do what you were just criticizing.
Not even all the atheists you know only know judaic religions and I doubt are all arrogant and here you do what you were just criticizing.
RubricousMidget
Warlord
The unbelievable, almost infantile arrogance of this statement astounds me.
This poster clearly has no idea what atheism truly is, but judges it on the basis of a few immature people (s)he has met who adhere to it. Now, that is true arrogance.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
I can't, and I try to avoid making generalisations regarding religion. Mainly because even in the religion I am most familiar with there are such differences in flavor. But that doesn't mean that you can take the remarks of one atheist and apply them to all atheists. Just like it would be wrong for me to measure all christians to Fred Phelp's words. I don't know or care about the four holy books of the Hindus. But I won't shut up. And I'll argue that you are ignorant about atheism and atheists.
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I'll just argue that you, aneeshm, criticized a generalization for being a generalization and then made one yourself.
So what? Everyone is ignorant on some topics.
aneeshm
Deity
Quite true. This criticism would be valid if I asked you about some arcane detail of Advaita philosophy. But when you don't know the name of the Holy Book itself, it's a whole new level of ignorance we're talking about.
It's equivalent to me being so ignorant of the Christian tradition as to not even know the name of its holy book, yet wanting the right to dismiss it. It's as if when a Christian asks me why I rejected the Bible, it's like me asking, "What's the Bible?" It's like me not knowing even the name of the Quran, yet rejecting its God.
When you know absolutely nothing at all, it's always better to not comment. The same way that I do not comment on Taoism, or Confucianism, and do not apply my labels to them, I expect others to not include all "religions" when applying whatever label happens to be the current fad.
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Why expect such and yet apply your own current fad labels to all atheists?
People in glass houses, aneeshm. I'm sure there are a myriad of subjects that others were claim you are equally ignorant about.
I know enough about Hinduism (ie, that its a religion) to reject it.
azzaman333
meh
The burden of proving that your religion is correct falls on you, not the people you're trying to convert.
aneeshm
Deity
I don't know how to break this to you, Truronian, but if you knew Hinduism, you wouldn't call it a "religion".
Brilliant. I didn't need this verification of whatever I was saying, but you've done an excellent job.
I am astounded by the inability of most people who have been brought up in the Judachrislamic tradition to understand or even properly see any tradition which does not fit neatly into this framework.
It's not really your fault, it's just the way you're brought up, and how your society works. You just can't see things from a completely alien perspective.
aneeshm
Deity
The burden of proving that my tradition is a religion falls on the idiots who made that claim in the first place (the Muslims, the British). We never claimed any such thing.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Aneeshm, does it ever get lonely up there? 
aneeshm
Deity
Tell me that next time, when I try to contribute to a debate without knowing anything about the traditions in question.
I used the word 'religions' in quotes for a reason.
See, by saying that Hinduism isn't a religion, you are defining "religion" more or less in Abrahamic terms. The word "religion" can mean a lot of things, and as such Hinduism is best described as a religion more than atheism is.
aneeshm
Deity
And anyway, being agnostic, a mumukshuk, a seeker, this debate is mostly academic for me anyway. I don't have to "defend" the "honour" or my "religion", the way most Christians and Muslims have to (because without such defence, their faith falls apart).
I'm just pissed that people with no knowledge whatsoever of a tradition are ready to arrogantly dismiss it without bothering to even try a sincere study, even if cursory.
I'm just pissed that people with no knowledge whatsoever of a tradition are ready to arrogantly dismiss it without bothering to even try a sincere study, even if cursory.
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