There is already an Arabia photojournal
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/deity-arabia-photojournal.635126/#post-15189083
For my next game I'm going to randomize the civs but leave the warmongers out to get some variety.
Aztec Write Up (Photojournal?) on Deity
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https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/deity-arabia-photojournal.635126/#post-15189083
For my next game I'm going to randomize the civs but leave the warmongers out to get some variety.
LukaSlovenia29
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CrazyG, I hope you get Portugal, Morocco or the the Ottomans, it'd be very useful to see how to efficiently/correctly use Civs with Trade Route based UAs.
Portugal it is.
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Woo-hoo! 
To me this is the prime example of how Aztec are meant to be played. A heavily powerful start that gives you a snowball you ride for the rest of the game. As the other civs start to ramp up....they are simply too late.
Portugal is one of my favorite civs, it has absolutely amazing design. I made screenshots for it half a year ago, but didn't finish the game unfortunately.
ElliotS
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I do want to note that due to the current bug where Barbarians steal a bunch of extra stuff Aztecs have a big advantage. If your enemies lost 50-60 science or culture early game it could have made a big difference in your ability to snowball. Also Pangea seems pretty beneficial for the Aztecs. The more broken up the landmasses the harder they tend to be. Finally with us all in agreement that God of War is in need of a faith reduction that will be an indirect nerf to Aztecs.
I'm just pointing out these factors to avoid over-nerfing them. If the barbarian bug is fixed and god of war is nerfed, Aztecs will be indirectly nerfed. Should they still recieve some nerf? Maybe. Probably based on what G is saying.
I'm just pointing out these factors to avoid over-nerfing them. If the barbarian bug is fixed and god of war is nerfed, Aztecs will be indirectly nerfed. Should they still recieve some nerf? Maybe. Probably based on what G is saying.
I've consistently said that I love the belief. I love the ability to jetpack towards wonders. It's a big part of why I thought Council of Elders is awful. (Haven't played it since scaling rework, so opinion withheld.)
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Yes, I always pick Way of Transcendence.
An update on the Portugal photojournal.
I lost twice within like 70 turns. I was picking tradition because the community wanted it, but it just doesn't work unless your start is really good. These were blow out defeats, I was actually last in everything other than approval (I have +3 food in my capital though!)
I tried another game on progress where I had war elephants and built the terracotta army (my military score after this was 11, lower than all the AI). I still lost because the entire continent warred me at the same time. I have had territorial disputes with all known civilizations in all three games. I'm really debating what was my favorite moment was. Perhaps when Egypt was on a separate continent and we had territorial disputes? Or when the Shoshone would have needed to conquer two American cities just to have a land border with me, but of course we still had territorial disputes?
I lost twice within like 70 turns. I was picking tradition because the community wanted it, but it just doesn't work unless your start is really good. These were blow out defeats, I was actually last in everything other than approval (I have +3 food in my capital though!)
I tried another game on progress where I had war elephants and built the terracotta army (my military score after this was 11, lower than all the AI). I still lost because the entire continent warred me at the same time. I have had territorial disputes with all known civilizations in all three games. I'm really debating what was my favorite moment was. Perhaps when Egypt was on a separate continent and we had territorial disputes? Or when the Shoshone would have needed to conquer two American cities just to have a land border with me, but of course we still had territorial disputes?
What do you mean loss? You didn't actually lose your capital, did you?
I mean I conceded because of obvious military defeat. The first two games I don't think I could have won even without the wars just because my economy was so bad.
I think WOT is also great but its also easy to overestimate it as well. It gives you a bucket of yields, but you have to always remember that yields later are worth less than yields now. So having to wait to the end of an era to get your yields, as opposed to getting steady yields throughout the era....meaning that bucket of yields has to be discounted somewhat.
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Well, Portugal isn't really a Tradition civ. I get the impression that because of Tradition's narrow focus on GPs/Specialists and whatnot, it only usually works with civs that have synergy with these areas of the game, otherwise you're better off with Progress or Authority.
Yeah, what's the point of tradition if not for GPs or specialists? Maybe that policy tree is just too niche.
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There's the golden age synergy, but Portugal isn't centered on that.
It was a common thing to have Tradition to stay small, so you avoid the penalty per city on culture/science costs. Nowadays, Tradition looks more of a tree for civs that synergize with it, rather than a general one for those that don't have room to expand.
It was a common thing to have Tradition to stay small, so you avoid the penalty per city on culture/science costs. Nowadays, Tradition looks more of a tree for civs that synergize with it, rather than a general one for those that don't have room to expand.
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Tradition still wants to stay small, that hasn't changed. It's just that, unless you have some kind of bonus to help you play small, going Authority to make room or going Progress when you have room will just lead to better results usually.
What was the main culprit? Less Unit Supply, less production or lack of army buffs from Authority?
Military defeat means that you just lost majority of your army or your cities were about to be captured?
Aren't you supposed to be last that early, especially on Deity?
Tradition Portugal is a very weird choice... you might as well play Tradition for Sweden. Progress might work, but do not get the idea, i mean yeah you have extra science and gold to get more culture from techs but that all you have. I'm pretty sure that Portugal is an Authority civ that should rush Trade, get a Trade Route and then try to kill someone . using extra science and gold (you get a lot of science!). After that Statecraft seems like an obvious choice.
The culprit is tradition. As of the 15th patch, tradition only works if the AI leaves you alone early game, or maybe if you are Arabia.
The early policies have no science and no gold. The production policy comes too late even though its pretty good.
Look at my Aztec game or the other Deity photojournals. People aren't last in everything. Usually I'm not last in anything except possibly science. (I might be #5 and #6 in everything, but not #8). Often I'm number 1 in at least one category. G has given tradition a dramatic, much needed buff for next patch though.
Like I said, the people asked for tradition, that's why I picked it.
Also, Portugal is a as big a warmonger as Sweden? Please. All that bonus science and gold has great synergy with progress. You don't authority to fight either, progress can work really well as a conquer one neighbor then play mostly peaceful gameplan.
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CrazyG, I'm not a fan of Tradition (at least in the current state), so I proposed Portugal with Progress in my mind! I hope you'll still play a game with Progress with Portugal, would love to see it!
