B-2 secrets sold???

[Fetus4188]

Probably using VTOL aircraft like Russia was trying to.

 

[Dann]

From the article:

Authorities refused to say with which countries Gowadia did business. So far, he's been charged only with sending secrets to people who aren't entitled to them. That's a 10-year felony. Cases in which secrets are sold to a potential enemy, such as China, have usually led to more serious charges.

Guess that rules out us out.

Now to find what country he sold it to and buy it from them...

 

[silver 2039]

Well... not a stealth secret. Although that's already out after the loss of an F117 in the Balkans.

But those engines are mighty impressive - if say the Chinese develop them and air-air refueling capability, could have the range to hit Continental USA from mainland China.

Trouble is, Hawaii is on the flight path - would not be a milk run mission by any stretch of the imagination.

I would guess they'd be more interested in developing countermeasures than producing their own super long range bombers, especially bearing in mind the cost of a B2.

China HAS air to air refuling capacities. It also has missiles capable of hitting the continetal US.
And it has nuclear subs too.

 

[FriendlyFire]

imo

With the techinical details of the stealth fighter stolen. it can be used to create "counter" capabilitie or/and more likely be sold on the blackmarket.

 

[cidknee]

Probably using VTOL aircraft like Russia was trying to.

yeah and wheres the russian navy today?

 

[silver 2039]

yeah and wheres the russian navy today?

The Pacific, the Baltic, and the Arctic.

 

[Dann]

At least 2 of the Kiev class carriers have been bought by China. One (the Minsk) is moored right here in Shenzhen, converted into a floating theme park.

 

[cidknee]

i meant compared to the us navy?technology wise? NOT even close. Not to mention the support the russian navy gets is almost non existant. To be honest, the Russian Navy has never been all that of a threat to the US navy. Sure they have some great subs, and some nuc powered cruisers, but they just dont project power like a nuclear powered battle group does. So my point was that the russian navy while trying to keep up with the US navy, just didnt. It lacked the technological advances which make innovation possible.

I remember a quote from a former KGB officer that I spoke to a number of years ago. It always makes me think of the the communist system as a whole, and why it failed. " As long as they pretend to pay us, we'll pretend towork."

Now the US is going to use the F35, a nice plane is almost all respects.
And as far as the B2 goes, not much of it isnt almost common knowledge since that F117 was shot down.

 

[silver 2039]

At least 2 of the Kiev class carriers have been bought by China. One (the Minsk) is moored right here in Shenzhen, converted into a floating theme park.

Another Kiev Class the Admiral Gorkshev was bought by India along with a Typhoon Class sub that was leased.

Seems like everyone is just buying up Russian equipment.

Ah for the days of Soviet Power.....

 

[Dann]

Oh I understood you perfectly. But seeing silver 2039 being the wiseguy I couldn't resist playing along.

You're right in that even at its peak, the Soviet navy was never a match for the US navy. US technological lead was too big. Them VTOL carrier/cruisers were never the major punch in the Soviet navy. The cruise missile armed cruisers were. And also the submarines.

As for the communist system being fatally flawed, I think everyone knows that now.

The B-2 is a much more advanced design than the F-117. The F-35 even more so. Stealing B-2 technology is still a major coup, even if whichever country got it will never be able to produce their own (due to the huge expenses involved). At the very least, they can now understand the inner workings and thus develop countermeasures.

 

[Dann]

Another Kiev Class the Admiral Gorkshev was bought by India along with a Typhoon Class sub that was leased.

What did India do with them?

 

[silver 2039]

What did India do with them?

Rename them.

Right now they're in the fleet as part of our new power projection thing.
Also copied their technology and design.
The aircraft carrier helped with the ADS project and the Typhoon with the ATV project. (Indigenous aircraft carrier and nuclear sub development)

 

[Fetus4188]

Just because Russia screwed up doesn't mean the US would have to. It's no big secret that Russia had some major problems with developing new technologies. In fact, what little VTOL tech it did have was primarily stolen from early NATO plans. The US, on the other hand, chose to abandon VTOL projects because it felt they weren't necessary. Untill recently that is, now they have the very capable F-35.

 

[SuperSloth]

i agree, even if china did obtain the technology, that type if tech is still very difficult to build, implement, and maintain. and since the US already owns the tech, it would likely already know countermeasures for it. remember the US already has a 30 year head start.

lol, this reminds me of a civ scenario

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

Give them some Chinese water torture and bamboo chutes under the fingernails. Then hang them, because espionage is right up there with treason.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I don't think China is at the point where they could use B-2 secrets to their fullest potential. They are still highly dependant on Russian designs so until they can eclipse Russian fighter designs with their own I don't see how they can effectively replicate and maintain a B-2 type aircraft. If they did build something it would probably lack many of the details and refinement that make the B-2 truly effective. As things are they already know the shape of the craft and probably the outer materials just from seeing and reading public information so there is obviously a lot more to it that other nations are finding hard to replicate.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

Not surprising. The US did the same thing to the British, when it was in its infancy. Our industrial spies were the ones who brought the industrial revolution to the US.