Baby's first Conquest victory

[vormuir]

So I finally decided to try for a Conquest victory.

I've never done it before because 1) I don't love war so much, and 2) it just seems so... wasteful.

I mean, you can't conquer more than about 60% of the world, because you don't want to win a Domination victory. So you have to destroy the other 40%. Holy cities, Wonders, doesn't matter... everything must go. It seems a shame.

Does anyone actually do Conquest for fun? I'm not finding it fun at all.

On the plus side, all the plundering can be fun. If you're not interested in capturing the cities, you can make a surprising amount of money from plunder.

On the minus side -- and it's a big minus -- damn does it get tedious. You have to kill every stupid city. (Playing vanilla here.) Just dragging the units around is a real PITA.

I went to a Small map and down a level of play, just to nail this. It's still taking a while. But I've killed one rival and crippled two more, so once I knock Gandhi out it'll be over.

Anyhow, I hear the movie is nice.


Waldo

 

[cabert]

try it in warlords
vassals are great for this.

 

[Tunguska]

Play a game without the dominations victory.
You can conquer everything and keep the cities you like.

 

[svv]

Right - do a custom game and disable domination wins. In fact, I do this all the time anyway. I figure if I want to win at that point, I'll just vote myself in at the UN. That way the game doesn't end until I want it to (or I lose).

The closing animation for conquest is cool, so it's worth doing once, but I haven't bothered with it since.

 

[pigswill]

I've only played one conquest, even with vassals in warlords its still tedious. Nice victory movie but it doesn't make up for the tedium. Playing without domination seems a bit naff to me (sorry, that's just how I feel). (I have the same feeling about playing without barbarians).

 

[OscarWildebeest]

I find the movie rather scary, actually.

 

[KMadCandy]

So I finally decided to try for a Conquest victory.

Does anyone actually do Conquest for fun? I'm not finding it fun at all.

Anyhow, I hear the movie is nice.

good luck! shame it's not fun for you, but hey, at least now you know that. and it is fun to see every movie at least once.

Playing without domination seems a bit naff to me (sorry, that's just how I feel). (I have the same feeling about playing without barbarians).

i sometimes play with no barbarians. so i choose to define it at those times as "acting in a kind, humane and considerate manner." cuz you know, it's sparing their lives.

ps what is naff? i'm guessing from context it's not a good thing, kinda cheating or incomplete or, i dunno.

 

[pigswill]

naff =

Playing with any options is fine but for me selecting options to make the game easier seems kind of incomplete. I'd consider it if I was planning on moving up a level as a bridging strategy or if I was playing a specific variant.

Obviously people can play any darn way they like and its none of my business.

Anyway I'm not really planning on thread-jacking so I'll try to stay on topic if I post again in this thread.

 

[KMadCandy]

Obviously people can play any darn way they like and its none of my business.

oops i didn't take it that way, i hope i didn't make anybody else take it that way by being curious and adding my usual silliness. i'm just intrigued by expressions in different languages, and even the language-with-the-same-name as spoken in different countries

and again to vormuir: good luck with gandhi!! and with the oh-so-tedious movement of troops. it'll soon be over and you will have accomplished your goal and not have to ever do it again hehe.

 

[OscarWildebeest]

'Naff' is British slang. Wikipedia entry.

 

[svv]

naff =

Playing with any options is fine but for me selecting options to make the game easier seems kind of incomplete.

I had hoped that I had made it clear that I don't disable domination wins to "make the game easier." I do it to prevent the game from ending, with my victory, before I want it to end - such as if I may want to see the result of some strategy I'm working on.

I suppose you could argue that disabling domination wins makes the game "easier" by disallowing a victory to the AI player who has come up with 2/3 of the population. In none of my games, however, has any AI come close. If they did, they'd be able to win the same way I can, voting themselves in at the U.N. Indeed, my AI opponents are far more likely to win with a vote at the UN, with much less than 2/3 of the population, by getting the votes of other AI supporters.

 

[cabert]

conquest can be very fast too!
Check the GotMs, some have early ADs conquest wins!

 

[Collier20]

My rule of thumb is keep capitals, holy cities, and cities with new resources in their bfc. All others get razed. Usually this works out to three or two cities per civ. This is also advantagous because the other AIs will waste turns settle the newly freed areas. In my last game, I razed four cities built in one spot (two Chinese, one English, and one Arabian). New cities are great for easy experience.

 

[manu-fan]

naff =

Playing with any options is fine but for me selecting options to make the game easier seems kind of incomplete. I'd consider it if I was planning on moving up a level as a bridging strategy or if I was playing a specific variant.

Obviously people can play any darn way they like and its none of my business.

Anyway I'm not really planning on thread-jacking so I'll try to stay on topic if I post again in this thread.

What level do you play on?

If you play on any level other than the toughest, you are selecting an option to make the game easier.

So, why your aversion to turning a certain type of victory condition off? That doesn't make it easier, just more realistic. You're facing a resolute world where they're going to fight until the last man.

I think that razing cities so you don't go over the 60% for domination is not really playing fairly, as you should be winning a domination victory, but are sidestepping it.

That's what's naff to me

Cheers.

 

[pigswill]

Manu-fan: I play on monarch and I'm nowhere near to being a good player. If I criticise other people (directly or indirectly) then its reasonable to be criticised back.

When I said that people can play any darn way they like in solo games I actually meant it.

I do however think that switching off various options can make games easier at any given difficulty level.

Again, that's fair enough. However if people ever wanted to join in any of the games at CFC (succession, gotm etc) then these tend to be played with standard settings (or variants to make them more difficult) which makes them tougher at a given difficulty level so its as well to be prepared for that.

 

[mrchadt]

lol OscarWileBeest.