I need serious help on how to cope with barbarians! I still have warriors, and they have axemen and archers, and they keep coming from everywhere! My units keep dying to them, and its really starting to piss me off. I must have seen 20 barbarians so far in my small area. <sighs>
Barbarians? Need help.
- Thread starter Raziaar
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Are you playing with aggressive barbarians by chance? I didn't turn that option on and by the time I saw axemen and archers coming at me in my game I had axemen and archers of my own. But as of yet I haven't seen a massive uprising.
Stilgar08
Emperor
For defenders it's important to fortify for a few turns! Furthermore you should be able to build archers yourself and if you wanna explore use scouts or if there are too many barbs around, axemen.
Maybe your tech expenditures are too low?
No more ICS - gets you in toruble and slows down your tech-search!
Maybe your tech expenditures are too low?
No more ICS - gets you in toruble and slows down your tech-search!
CitizenCain
Warlord
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Raziaar said:
Sounds like they may have set up a "barbarian civilization" (AKA city/spawning area) somewhere near your borders. This happened in my last game, and I lost a dozen phalanxes until I figured out that a) Axemen get +50% vs my phalanxes and B) that thing that looked like a a black film in the fog of war was a black culture/border for the barbarian city. It sucked. Maybe try taking a scout down to see if that's what the problem is.
Oh, and if you don't get a metal and metal units by the time the barbarians do, you're going to be in a lot of trouble anyway.
MeteorPunch
#WINNING
I've been having problems with them too. The barbs have more advanced units than me! 
I was fighting Axemen, power=5, with my chariots, power=4.
I was fighting Axemen, power=5, with my chariots, power=4.
Brutus2
King
MeteorPunch said:I've been having problems with them too. The barbs have more advanced units than me!
Yes but at least the axeman won't get his +50% bonus since your chariots are mounted and not melee. Also, your chariots can get a promotion that makes them immune to first strike which will be good for fighting the barbarian archers.
In my game I just founded a new city in a great spot and started to work the area. I have one warrior fortified in that city and another one 2 turns from being ready. I have slavery but only 1 population in that city so I can not rush it. Since it is a new city, the road to my capitol is not complete yet. There is a barbarian axman ready to attack me on the next turn. Even with my fortify bonus, the axeman supperior strength and his +50% vs melee means my lone warrior does not stand a chance and I am going to loose my new city.
What type of maps are you guys playing? I'm on custom map (continents), noble difficulty, I have barbs, but no aggressive ones. I have yet to get overrun by wild barbarian hordes. I'll lose an occassional unit to a lone barb, but have yet to see a barbarian city spring up. Maybe I need to switch to aggressive barbs so I can see one! 
I was unlucky enough to find a barb city just south of my newest city. It had 2 archers and a warrior for defense. The problem was that as soon as I killed one they'd have another born. I ended up loosing about 6 or 7 units before I took it out. Luckily I got the swordsmen tech and was able to get them to the fight just in the nick of time.
The only advice I can give is to make sure you spend more time making defending units, archers are nice with a barracks and the +20% city defense, as opposed to early expansion with settlers if the barbs are out in force. The second thing is to get to swordsmen as fast as possible because I haven't seen a barb swordsman yet and I'm in 1390 AD.
The only advice I can give is to make sure you spend more time making defending units, archers are nice with a barracks and the +20% city defense, as opposed to early expansion with settlers if the barbs are out in force. The second thing is to get to swordsmen as fast as possible because I haven't seen a barb swordsman yet and I'm in 1390 AD.
Uty
I hate you, Milkman Dan
I think barbarian cities are a lucky find. You can take them over and get some unit XP in the process.
Vietcong said:
More aggressive? Yeck... I'm on noble... and there's lots of area around me. huge map, all 18 civs. I've got 3 barbarians a turn entering my lands. faster than I can create troops. It always seems to be like this, unless I can somehow view every single area. THey generate constantly in fog.
The barbarians can get really nasty in this game over the previous versions. I've played through about 5 or 6 differnt maps on the huge size. Everytime around 200 BC to 900 AD I have to fend off a never ending horde. I sorta feel like the Roman Empire during the same period of history. I have noticed that they tend to build up when there are no other civilizations around you.
It really pisses me off when 3 barb units (usually archers, axemen, or warrior) pop up on a newly created city and all you have to defend it with is a lonly warrior or archer. I usually get trounced and my city razed.
I also noticed that the barbarians will go for your terrain improvements and knock those out till they get to you city. Most of the time they end up taking out my iron or copper resource and pretty much cutting me off at the knees and my ability to defend my cities with better tech troops.
Any one have a good stratgy for heading off the barbarian invasion (with out taking the play option off)?
Only thing I can come up with is just build good units and have enough of them to head out and take out the barb units before they become a menace.
It really pisses me off when 3 barb units (usually archers, axemen, or warrior) pop up on a newly created city and all you have to defend it with is a lonly warrior or archer. I usually get trounced and my city razed.
I also noticed that the barbarians will go for your terrain improvements and knock those out till they get to you city. Most of the time they end up taking out my iron or copper resource and pretty much cutting me off at the knees and my ability to defend my cities with better tech troops.
Any one have a good stratgy for heading off the barbarian invasion (with out taking the play option off)?
Only thing I can come up with is just build good units and have enough of them to head out and take out the barb units before they become a menace.
Happened to me in one game. The barbs had a city that was hidden for ages, and by the time I found it I was too weak to take it out from all the damage they had done to me.
From then on, the first thing I did was send out explorers to find out where things are.
And then if I see a bard city anywhere near, first thing I work on is taking it out before it grows.
From then on, the first thing I did was send out explorers to find out where things are.
And then if I see a bard city anywhere near, first thing I work on is taking it out before it grows.
Hahaha, I had the same thing happen to me. I kept getting all these random barbarians, and lost a settler and a worker. I saw this black border I thought was a fog of war, but on closer inspection...ETRUSCANS!!! DIE DIE DIE!! It was especially cool to find them because I was Rome. Anyway, my very first Horse Archer used them for target practice. I got a city out of it too, and 84 gold. CHA-CHING
Okay, i'm STILL pissed at barbarians. I can cope well enough with them, but its just getting rediculous. The barbarians appear even without cities of course, and even the slightest square you cant see, it can gen one. I've killed about 300 barbarians so far, and I can't stop them because I can't expand fast enough to make sure all the terrain is visible. Its making me have to utilize a stupid strategy of sending out units to stand on hilltops all across the terrain, sending my profits sinking by unit support costs, just to try to stem the tide of the barbarians.
I'm getting so frusterated at just messing with these stupid barbarians, that everytime I see one, i'm logging into the world editor and editing it out. They gen like 5-8 a turn around my empire. Its STUPID. And there are no barbarian cities on the entire big island.
This is on noble, with NO rampaging barbarians. I'd hate to see how it is with rampaging barbarians. I mean, no lie... i'm getting 5-8 barbarians a turn... axemen, archers, swordsmen. With rampaging... who knows!
I'm getting so frusterated at just messing with these stupid barbarians, that everytime I see one, i'm logging into the world editor and editing it out. They gen like 5-8 a turn around my empire. Its STUPID. And there are no barbarian cities on the entire big island.
This is on noble, with NO rampaging barbarians. I'd hate to see how it is with rampaging barbarians. I mean, no lie... i'm getting 5-8 barbarians a turn... axemen, archers, swordsmen. With rampaging... who knows!
Pfeffersack
Deity
I understand your frustration, but there must be something wrong with your startegy.Barbs on noble aren't that tough...you get a decent combat bonus versus them, the first fights are guranteed to be won.
Whats your initial building sequence?
What is your tech route?
What units do you build?
What promotions do you choose for your units?
A few tips:
- Take an aggressive leader for the moment.The extra Combat I promotion helps a lot.
- Make sure to research Archery ASAP.This way you will have good chances to defeat animals and barbs up to archers.
- Don't start your first settler to early.Build some units first, clear out wild animals, get promotions.Fiddle in aworker, a barrack (a must, this way your units are much more durable!), then again units.The first settler can wait until your city is near the happiness "limit". (about size 4-5 in most cases)
- if facing barbs, take their suicidal behaviour and the terrain in account: They will always attack you, even if chances for them to win are near zero.Woodsman and Gueriella promotiona can be very useful!
Whats your initial building sequence?
What is your tech route?
What units do you build?
What promotions do you choose for your units?
A few tips:
- Take an aggressive leader for the moment.The extra Combat I promotion helps a lot.
- Make sure to research Archery ASAP.This way you will have good chances to defeat animals and barbs up to archers.
- Don't start your first settler to early.Build some units first, clear out wild animals, get promotions.Fiddle in aworker, a barrack (a must, this way your units are much more durable!), then again units.The first settler can wait until your city is near the happiness "limit". (about size 4-5 in most cases)
- if facing barbs, take their suicidal behaviour and the terrain in account: They will always attack you, even if chances for them to win are near zero.Woodsman and Gueriella promotiona can be very useful!
