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romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
I concur with Bez. Since everything is freeupkeep, we should be spamming out stuff ASAP.
I really like to research techs from back ages and sell them to the AI for ridiculus amounts of gpt. I think we should do that with compulsory education.
<offtopic> Note: In real Life I oppose compulsory eductation more than facism and communism combined.
I really like to research techs from back ages and sell them to the AI for ridiculus amounts of gpt. I think we should do that with compulsory education.
<offtopic> Note: In real Life I oppose compulsory eductation more than facism and communism combined.
romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
Actually Bez, Compusory Education is a byproduct of "enlightened" government. It is predicated on the grounds that all men are equal in talents, not equal before God. Our founding fathers came from a system lacking in compulsory education. Sure education was required to an extent, and I believe that all the populace should be literate. But it is the drive and desire of each to excel that should set the pace, not some governing body. By its very nature education as it is presented is indoctrination, other forms of government were much quicker to latch on and take advantage of it.
ThERat
Deity
your statement is interesting, but is compulsory education that bad?
I prefer a educated mass rather than a dumb one, this country here only recently introduced it up to primary 6, there are people who chose to not get their kids educated, that's pretty scary, no?
I personally hated school, but being educated has it's pros, example less likely to fall for those guys promoting fascism and other oppressive types of governments.
I prefer a educated mass rather than a dumb one, this country here only recently introduced it up to primary 6, there are people who chose to not get their kids educated, that's pretty scary, no?
I personally hated school, but being educated has it's pros, example less likely to fall for those guys promoting fascism and other oppressive types of governments.
"I personally hated school, but being educated has it's pros, example less likely to fall for those guys promoting fascism and other oppressive types of governments."
The rise of compulsory education parallels the rise of government expansion in every society I know of that has instituted it. The idea that if something is good it should be compulsory is, in addition to being illogical (the good is the good in large part due to the fact that it does not require compulsion), the most dangerous idea in history, at least in my book.
Just returned from a service worshipping a king who forewent compulsion and was put to death by those who didn't, so maybe I'm biased.
The rise of compulsory education parallels the rise of government expansion in every society I know of that has instituted it. The idea that if something is good it should be compulsory is, in addition to being illogical (the good is the good in large part due to the fact that it does not require compulsion), the most dangerous idea in history, at least in my book.
Just returned from a service worshipping a king who forewent compulsion and was put to death by those who didn't, so maybe I'm biased.
ThERat
Deity
good arguments too, here 
back to the game. who is up?
back to the game. who is up?
As Tokugawa surveyed his glorious kingdom, he realized that the only remaining threat to his dreams of becoming a true Emperor of Heaven was... boredom.
Nonetheless, he set about his tasks with zeal. Though Tokugawa was greatly fond of forestry, and had ordered the reforestation of much of his kingdom, his people were stiff-necked and greedy, preferring to till the fields as they had since ancient times, and to support accountants with their surplus food to fatten their purses. Tokugawa could not countenanace such brazen disobedience, and directed his unprecendented workforce (which cost him the princely sum of 1070 gold per turn) to plant forests forthwith. And lo, was the productivity of his cities thereby enhanced.
Tokugawa was especially puzzled by his people's reluctance to plant his beloved forests in the barren tundra - such lands yield no food with which to support accountants. Dreading the tremendous investment required to build railroads through the tundra, Tokugawa heard the cries of his people in the frozen wastes who desperately needed the production he knew only his forests could bring, and gave his assent to this investment, though his fingers became sore from the amount of times he was required to reaffirm this order.
Mindful of the wonders of the storied Hoover Dam, Tokugawa directed his scribes to study Engineering, though he knew that his slothful workers would put their new engineering abilities to work solely to shorten their workweek, accomplishing nothing more than before. Thanks to his enlightened decision to allow his people a social democracy, thus mysteriously eliminating all upkeep costs, Tokugawa could now also afford District Courthouses throughout the land to take the load off of his Imperial Courts, and thus further reduce his already remarkably low corruption.
Units were constructed in cities that were already fully developed, and generously shipped to the lands recently liberated from Hiawatha's iron grip to aid in their development. Once Engineering was discovered, the people called out for a tech that would relieve Tokugawa from his grueling micromanagment duties, and thus help him ward off boredom. Minaturization was just the trick, as it allowed cities to build the ludicrously expensive Offshore Platform, obviating the need for new orders every turn.
Tiring of the languishing tech pace, Tokugawa finally acceded to the call of the scribes for Compulsory Education, despite his distaste for compelling his own loyal subjects, whom he dearly loved, as it too promosed some relief from the drudgery of producing units every turn and airlifting them to their final destination. With the discovery of Compulsory Ed, those cities which had been producing units now set about compelling their citizens to educate their children, and passed his rule over to the able hands of the illustrious Dman.
Nonetheless, he set about his tasks with zeal. Though Tokugawa was greatly fond of forestry, and had ordered the reforestation of much of his kingdom, his people were stiff-necked and greedy, preferring to till the fields as they had since ancient times, and to support accountants with their surplus food to fatten their purses. Tokugawa could not countenanace such brazen disobedience, and directed his unprecendented workforce (which cost him the princely sum of 1070 gold per turn) to plant forests forthwith. And lo, was the productivity of his cities thereby enhanced.
Tokugawa was especially puzzled by his people's reluctance to plant his beloved forests in the barren tundra - such lands yield no food with which to support accountants. Dreading the tremendous investment required to build railroads through the tundra, Tokugawa heard the cries of his people in the frozen wastes who desperately needed the production he knew only his forests could bring, and gave his assent to this investment, though his fingers became sore from the amount of times he was required to reaffirm this order.
Mindful of the wonders of the storied Hoover Dam, Tokugawa directed his scribes to study Engineering, though he knew that his slothful workers would put their new engineering abilities to work solely to shorten their workweek, accomplishing nothing more than before. Thanks to his enlightened decision to allow his people a social democracy, thus mysteriously eliminating all upkeep costs, Tokugawa could now also afford District Courthouses throughout the land to take the load off of his Imperial Courts, and thus further reduce his already remarkably low corruption.
Units were constructed in cities that were already fully developed, and generously shipped to the lands recently liberated from Hiawatha's iron grip to aid in their development. Once Engineering was discovered, the people called out for a tech that would relieve Tokugawa from his grueling micromanagment duties, and thus help him ward off boredom. Minaturization was just the trick, as it allowed cities to build the ludicrously expensive Offshore Platform, obviating the need for new orders every turn.
Tiring of the languishing tech pace, Tokugawa finally acceded to the call of the scribes for Compulsory Education, despite his distaste for compelling his own loyal subjects, whom he dearly loved, as it too promosed some relief from the drudgery of producing units every turn and airlifting them to their final destination. With the discovery of Compulsory Ed, those cities which had been producing units now set about compelling their citizens to educate their children, and passed his rule over to the able hands of the illustrious Dman.
romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
Hey I can take it before my long Easter sojurn. I think the Ice storm has really made it easier to play civ.
I have to concur with Bez on his points on compulsory education. Especially on the last one. I do not think you are overly biased, just have a view that is not really all that common in America anymore. It should be more common IMHO. I too follow the King
, but that may be apparent not to mention off topic to our game.
Back to the task at hand, I will play and post in the next 4 hours.
I have to concur with Bez on his points on compulsory education. Especially on the last one. I do not think you are overly biased, just have a view that is not really all that common in America anymore. It should be more common IMHO. I too follow the King
, but that may be apparent not to mention off topic to our game.Back to the task at hand, I will play and post in the next 4 hours.
romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
IHT: Swap one build.
Turn 1: Redo incensce with Crazy horse for 30 gpt. Upgrade some of our labor force. Sell Radar to both the Sioux and the Celts. We can now be Facists!!
Turn 2: Sell Emancipation to the others as some deals run out. Upgrade more workers.
Turn 3: Started the new deal and the war memorial. Building lots, and selling some of our coal plants now.
Turn 4: really upgrading stuff. We learn pesticides and start on the one that gives armor.
Turn 5: More of the same
Turn 6: Really upgrading our worker force. Being able to snag 5000 gold in one turn slider manipulation really helps.
Turn 7: Start some farming, modern style.
Turn 8: More labor upgrades.
Turn 9: RR mountains in the mainland.
Turn 10: Built our first airport, please upgrade our bi plane next turn.
Real builder turns. We can now waste the Iro if we feel up to the challenge.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/bh03-1830ad.SAV
Turn 1: Redo incensce with Crazy horse for 30 gpt. Upgrade some of our labor force. Sell Radar to both the Sioux and the Celts. We can now be Facists!!
Turn 2: Sell Emancipation to the others as some deals run out. Upgrade more workers.
Turn 3: Started the new deal and the war memorial. Building lots, and selling some of our coal plants now.
Turn 4: really upgrading stuff. We learn pesticides and start on the one that gives armor.
Turn 5: More of the same
Turn 6: Really upgrading our worker force. Being able to snag 5000 gold in one turn slider manipulation really helps.
Turn 7: Start some farming, modern style.
Turn 8: More labor upgrades.
Turn 9: RR mountains in the mainland.
Turn 10: Built our first airport, please upgrade our bi plane next turn.
Real builder turns. We can now waste the Iro if we feel up to the challenge.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/bh03-1830ad.SAV
romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
Someone is going to have to adjust it then. I have heard of this before, but I have no idea of how to fix this.
ThERat
Deity
ok, my turn now, err how to adjust? anyway before this is over I have done my 10 turns, then someone got to adjust it
Wow, quite a bit happened today.
Roster should look like this:
Bezhukov
ThERat <- up
dmanakho <- on deck
romeothemonk
bed_head7
I honestly wouldn't care a whole lot if we finished this game in 20 turns. I feel like I have gotten a lot out of this game, but perhaps it has run its course. We can start another one with the patched version and continue our education in RaR.
Roster should look like this:
Bezhukov
ThERat <- up
dmanakho <- on deck
romeothemonk
bed_head7
I honestly wouldn't care a whole lot if we finished this game in 20 turns. I feel like I have gotten a lot out of this game, but perhaps it has run its course. We can start another one with the patched version and continue our education in RaR.
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