Bede04C-The Griddle (C3C1.22Emperor)

Bede4 - Cast Iron Skillet Redux

Dangit - we are foolish if we don't try to build the Statue of Zeus...

Pre-flight check... not much to pre=flight.

IBT- Colossus comes in, start a Barracks.

Turn 1 (1725) scouting and worker stuff

IBT - a bunch of civs discover writing. I bet our Republic slingshot is going to fail.
Turn 2 (1700) Can't buy HBR for any price. Dial up Inca and trade Writing for Myst. Dial up Carthage and sell Writing for 75g. Dial up Iroquois and sell Myst for 39g. Dial up Alexander and sell him Myst for 29g. Buy HBR off Caesar for 173g.

IBT - a Roman settler pair heads for some incense..

Turn 3 (1675) ...some worker stuff...

IBT - Amsterdam Barracks>Archer

Turn 4 (1650) sail the curraugh...

Turn 5 (1625) bump the lux up...(Amsterdam grew)

IBT - Amsterdam Archer>Archer
Greeks start Oracle.

Turn 6 (1600) tempted to sell HBR for some gold... it's a known tech...collect 50g to allow us to sustain our current research rate a while longer...

Turn 7 (1575) ...not much

Amsterdam Archer>Archer

Turn 8 (1525) a couple of civs turn up with Math, but they won't trade it.

IBT - Amsterdam Archer>Archer

Turn 9 (1500) Amsterdam is now at 20spt. Archer Rush time.

IBT - a French Settler pops out of Lyons... at least that means no cultural expansion... unfortunately that also means the city will auto-raze if I attack it.
Amsterdam Archer>Archer

Turn 10 (1475) Sail the curraugh and move the warrior around.

I have an idea...

Amsterdam is currently spitting out 20-shield units every single turn... We've got 4 Archers. Let's build 4 more and a Spear, and send 'em towards Paris. While those units are working their way towards Paris, build more Archers to take Lyons and whatever France is going to settle to the NE of our Capitol. We should be able to muster 4-5 more Archers in the time it takes the stack to reach Paris. If we can take Paris, we should be able to "pointy-stick" Mathematics for peace and start Statue of Zeus.

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My apologies to the next better player for slow play. Here's > > The Save < <
 
@scout,

why HBR, we don't have any horses? That 170g would have fueled research to maths which is only 240 beakers
 
@Bede: Buying HBR for the pile of gold was a :smoke: move... I'll admit it. :blush:
 
Joan will trade Math for 84g and 8gpt. We should get a prebuild going for Zeus now since it's almost certain to be cascaded to if someone else connects up another source of ivory.
 
Zakharov - up
M60 - on deck
el_filet
Bede
scout
 
M60A3TTS said:
Joan will trade Math for 84g and 8gpt. We should get a prebuild going for Zeus now since it's almost certain to be cascaded to if someone else connects up another source of ivory.
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There are a couple of things that are dicey about SoZ. You must have Ivory to start the build, and you must have Ivory to actually get the Ancient Cavalry.

In other words, Lyons must be assimilated. :borg:
 
i don't think we should go for paris already (how many cities do the french have?). but we need enough units to get lyons, new city E and maybe marseille. getting paris would slow down french expansion too much and we need to wait for others to settle our lands. :)
also, an army as suggested would cost us too much money for now. (unless all cities to be conquered grow on time)

i hope the french still don't have iron, but horseman could give us some trouble too. make sure you defend our stack (better 2 spears when going W) as suggested by scout.

SoZ would help us a lot, since we're lacking the ressources to build any decent unit.
 
Got it.

scoutsout said:
Turn 7 (1575)...Turn 8 (1525)
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I guess I'll be playing 9 turns then. ;)

I won't play just yet as I believe this decision needs some more thought.

Waiting around for foreign cities to grow or expand seems very familiar. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

Looking at scout's plan, it will take 11 turns between a stack leaving Amsterdam and then attacking Paris. Can we afford to support those units for so long whilst building more, or should we wait for Lyon to grow? On the other hand, Paris is currently the only option for capturing a city.

On a side note, I agree with el filet that such a large stack will require 2 or even 3 spears to defend it. (Plus to defend the newly captured city).
 
Zakharov said:
I guess I'll be playing 9 turns then. ;)
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Oh man...that's embarrassing... :blush: sorry about that...but when all the workers are working...and I've nothing to do but sail a curraugh and move a warrior...I guess it's a little too easy to overlook an extra turn "played". Two :smoke: moves in a turnset...pretty sad...
 
@Zak,

MOTH learned a lesson from The Skillet that he just posted in an SGOTM thread....Go for the capitol early, no waiting for remote towns to grow, then just recycle the forces to the new capitol, and so on.....

So, I say "On to Paris with all deliberate speed" and don't forget your Amsterdam Express card....but whatever happens don't cut a gpt deal with Joan, I'd hate to attack Lyons to hold the ivory in twenty turns.
 
Ok Bede, I will command the fletchers to work overtime. Le Tour d'Eiffel will be ours! :D
 
1475(0)- Take a look around.

IBT- Archer > Archer

1450(1)- zzz

IBT- Archer > Archer
Iroquois are building the Oracle.

1425(2)- zzz

IBT- Archer > Archer

1400(3)- Science to 60%

IBT- French settle Chartres.
Archer > Spearman

1375(4)- zzz

IBT- Carthage demand 21g. I tell them no way (as they are on the other continent). They declare war! :ar15:
Discover Code of Laws > Philosophy.
Reverse WW allows me to drop luxuries to 20%.
Spearman > Spearman
Incans are building the Oracle.

1350(5)- Bad news guys: the French and the Incans now have Philosophy, so no Republic slingshot. I switch research to Literature in 25 @ 40%, -4gpt.
We have met everyone so I decide to cut costs by disbanding the curragh and the exploring warrior.

IBT- French demand 21g. No! They relent.
Spearman > Spearman.

1325(6)- I move the archers from the colony to form 'The Stack' consisting of 8 archers and 3 spearmen. They start the march to Paris.

IBT- Spearman > Spearman

1300(7)- Iroquois have Map Making!
Trade with Iroquois: Get MM + 8g for CoL + HbR
Trade with Celts: Get Philosophy + 1g for MM
Trade with Incans: Get Mathematics for MM
Only the French are ahead of us (Construction). The others are either level or behind with no gold to trade.

IBT- Spearman > Spearman

1275(8)- zzz

IBT- Spearman > Statue of Zeus in 10.
Lyon has grown to size 2.

1250(9)- zzz

Notes:
With Lyon now at size 2, should the Stack attack it first? I think they should head to Paris first then use the road to get back to Lyon.

I have left 2 spears defending the ivory colony.

Literature in 21 @ 40%, -6gpt.

Nobody else is building the SoZ. Should we start it now or change to wealth for a few turns?

Roster:

M60 - up next
el_filet - on deck
Bede
scout
Zakharov - just played

Save and screenshot:
 
Yessss.....:banana:

Re your query, Zak, how's the cash positon? If we even have a single gold in the bank and +1gpt stick with the SoZ.

Now that Lyons has expanded maybe hit it now to make sure it doesn't build a temple or something in the next five turns, or do we have a worker and something to cascade to for a turn or two if Lyons interrupts the build?

Nice trading too BTW.

Just thought of another risk, if Lyons expands and snags the ivory colony Paris could cascade whatever wonder it is building to SoZ.....
 
We have 37g in the bank, but we are losing 6gpt. However, we should capture Paris in 5 or Lyon in 2. That will save us 4gpt per city.

SoZ has only just started, so it has 0 shields. There are 4 other wonders we can fall back on if we lose the ivory: GLight, Pyr, MoM, Oracle.

Paris is currently building the Oracle. We could send a spearman to cut the road between Paris and Lyon if we decide to attack Paris first.

Re: trading, thanks. I only wish we had something the Romans don't have. They have well over 300g in the bank.
 
If that's the case, cut the road on the way in neutral territory and put some arrows through Joan's helmet.

I'll have to look at the save to comment further.
 
I would suggest cutting the grassland road and not the mountain, as it will be easier to replace.

I've been looking at Amsterdam's city view. If we mine the cattle we can get 24 shields/turn. After a government change this will become 25spt, a golden number for wonder building. :thumbsup:
 
That notion of yours, Zak, makes me think of an OCC 20K victory though we may be a little late on the curve for that.
 
with our stack ready and lyon size 2, i see no reason not to take it (well, one: pop-rushing spear).

Bede said:
MOTH learned a lesson from The Skillet that he just posted in an SGOTM thread....Go for the capitol early, no waiting for remote towns to grow, then just recycle the forces to the new capitol, and so on.....
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:wallbash: sure, thats the way to go! i overlooked that the palace moves and let all new capitols expand their culture...
Bede said:
That notion of yours, Zak, makes me think of an OCC 20K victory though we may be a little late on the curve for that.
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if we delay lit a bit, we can get SoZ and GLib for sure, colossus we have already. doesn't seem to be a bad start for 20k victory. i'd say let's build the SoZ and then take a look at the wonder situation. may be a good idea to wait a while longer for literature.
 
The save at 1000BC

Preturn: So, we have 37g and losing 6gpt. By my old math, that doesn’t get us to lit in 21 as indicated. Science off for the moment.

IBT_ zzz

Turn 1(1225BC)- Move onto the Rue de Paris.

IBT- Carthage starts Pyramids.

Turn 2 (1200BC)- Wait. We’re going to hold Amsterdam with a spear and a warrior? Leave an archer and spear behind from our SOD to keep Joan honest @ Lyons.

IBT- Greeks start ToA. French warrior from Chartres approaches our colony.

Turn 3 (1175BC) I’d call that French move a belligerent action. Declare war on Joan.

IBT- 2 workers head for shelter in Paris. Maybe take in a show or something.

Turn 4 (1150BC) SOD adjacent to Paris.

IBT- French warrior heads to Amsterdam.

Turn 5 (1125BC) La Bataille du Paris- Archer one redlined, kills reg spear. Archer two ditto. The City of Light has fallen. Four rebellious resistors. Two workers done sitting about, off to work with you! Science can go back up to 40%, Lit once more in 21. Wine in the city environs.

IBT- Resistance is broken.

Turn 6 (1100BC) 6 tax collectors set up shop in Paris. Pull one of the garrison spears off the ivory colony and kill the rogue French warrior.

IBT- French archer comes out of Lyons and kills our spear. Another one comes out and recaptures a worker. :( Paris starves to 4.

Turn 7 (1075BC) Archer kills his archer and promotes. Cut loose a couple archers back towards Lyons.

IBT- Paris now size 3.

Turn 8 (1050BC) We kill another archer near Lyons.

IBT- Caesar wants 23 gold. Sure, I just need one mortal enemy at the moment. ;)

Turn 9 (1025BC) 4 archers and a spear to Orleans, new French capital @ pop 2.

IBT- Reg horse out of Orleans dies clean against our reg spear. The mighty Statue of Zeus appears in the square of our beloved capital. :) Carthage building ToA. Amsterdam SoZ> harbor in 3. Paris starves to size 1.

Turn 10 (1000BC) Bummer. Orleans rush buys a spear and is now size 1. Lose an archer and hope as the capital it won’t autoraze as second reg spear dies defending. No such luck, Orleans goes poof as we find 12g in the rubble. Kill another reg warrior out of frustration. Capital now Marseilles. William tires of war, and settles for peace. Our portion of the settlement comes to Lyons, Rheims, Tours, Chartres, Besancon, and 20g. :D We can always come back for more in another 20. And done.

Post turn: Next up can build whatever in all our new villages or Amsterdam. Figured Chartres and Lyons were worth it sooner rather than later since they now are part of our core. Some of our new citizens are tax collectors because they are under the impression we have inflicted some imagined cruelty to them. Lux is at 10% now, to make them all happy we’d have to go up to like 50-60% lux. So it’s a question of spending a lot of cash to grow the towns. Otherwise simply wait for the weariness to wear off, or get connected to the capital.
 
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