Best Ancient Wonder
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onedreamer
Dragon
acidsatyr said:
yeah laugh as much as you want... shrines are uselss , peanuts... sure. What is useless in the early game are exactly representation and univ. suff., you don't get to exploit them as you can later, and by the time you do, then you can already switch the government without pyramids. The only real good thing you should have mentioned about Pyramids is the Great Engineer bonus, which in the ancient age is very handy and is maybe worth all the time you spend on building the wonder. But I guess you were too busy laughing...
VoiceOfUnreason
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MidnightRambler said:
Oracle. Pyramids are just as good if you capture it, but Oracle only coughs up a free tech once.
acidsatyr
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fuji said:
It isn't really because you just CANNOT produce all the wonders you need. Which in turn means you'll never have 15 profits like that guy who obviously played on noble or some easy lvl. And, by the same token - you can specialize in producing only great eng. which is way better then producing prophets....
onedreamer - just because you cannot use univ. suff. at the moment, doesnt mean you wont use it later. As for representation - you can really boost your research if you get early representation... i dont know what the hell are you talking about...
to acidsatyr : I tried it a couple of times (on prince and monarch) and it did work : all you need is Saladin (so you get early religion), stonehengh (if you can't easely get it, chop it) then built farms only, get huge pop, make them priests and built pyramids (then go for bureau) and keep producing military units in other cities. Because you're Saladin you'll be producing tons of GPs and putting them in your Capital wich will turn into a supercity : you'll have gold from the priests (and supertemple) hammers from priests, enough culture...
2 saves (monarch) : first : after completing important wonders
second : way ahead af AI
2 saves (monarch) : first : after completing important wonders
second : way ahead af AI
pyramids are balanced in the early game regarding their cost, mainly you will use representation or hereditary for happyness.
The fact is in the mid game (around civil service/paper/bank) financial whore having the pyramid make it way overpowered, as they can pull monstruous income, switching to US allow you to pump building and troops in no time. Many styrats use that fact.
The fact is in the mid game (around civil service/paper/bank) financial whore having the pyramid make it way overpowered, as they can pull monstruous income, switching to US allow you to pump building and troops in no time. Many styrats use that fact.
GreatSquid
Chieftain
I am also a big fan of the pyramids.
n0xie
OCC-addict
The +3 happiness is one of the most powerfull early benefits I can think of. It has a huge impact on higher levels. One might say that the Pyramids really shine on higher levels. Basically all the ancient era wonders are useless on higher level, except for the Pyramids, which is why they're so expensive...onedreamer said:
Shadowsong
Rumour
Depends on the situation as different wonders have different uses but overall I think pyramids is the best ancient choice (excluding its cost). 
onedreamer
Dragon
acidsatyr said:
representation is going to boost your research only if you have specialists, and you can't always have them in the early game, and even less you can have many of them. It depends from a LOADS of factors, like map type, difficulty, how many and what kind of resources you have etc.: it's very situational.
So well... take a deep breath and think about what you are writing, everyone can have their opinion and maybe those who have one that is different from yours are not idiots.
onedreamer
Dragon
n0xie said:
again, situations... +3 happyness can or can not help. It may have a huge impact on high level, but wasting all the time needed to build pyramids also has quite a negative impact.
Let's say that if we play a multiplayer game I'll be very glad if you build pyramids for your +3 happyness and leave the oracle to me so I can dominate with religions.
Sisiutil
All Leader Challenger
I gotta agree with Onedreamer. I just started playing at Prince level and I find I cannot waste time on the Pyramids. I have too many other fish to fry that early in the game: warrior/settler combinations for my initial land grab, workers, military units to fend off both barbarians and the AI opponents, libraries to both expand my cultural borders and increase my tech rate (obelisks are obsolete too quickly)...
In the early game, I don't have nearly enough specialists to take advantage of Representation and not nearly enough gold to take advantage of US. Hereditary Rule is available fairly early in the game and since I typically need 3-4 units in most of my cities just to keep the other AIs from attacking me, it works just fine.
I'd like to build the Oracle for the CS slingshot, as the AIs get an quite a head start tech-wise, and that would help me catch up in a big way. I still haven't managed it at Prince level, but I'm going to keep trying. Someone usually completes the Oracle before me, but getting some extra gold, founding Confucianism, and having early access to courthouses aren't bad as consolation prizes.
Anyway, what it's really about is what Sid calls "a series of interesting choices". Certain strategies that work for some will not work for others, mainly because they simply don't suit your style, personality, experience, etc. But after seeing one player's account of winning a game on Monarch without building a single military unit, I'm convinced that in a game this wonderfully complex, you can make almost any strategy into a winning strategy.
In the early game, I don't have nearly enough specialists to take advantage of Representation and not nearly enough gold to take advantage of US. Hereditary Rule is available fairly early in the game and since I typically need 3-4 units in most of my cities just to keep the other AIs from attacking me, it works just fine.
I'd like to build the Oracle for the CS slingshot, as the AIs get an quite a head start tech-wise, and that would help me catch up in a big way. I still haven't managed it at Prince level, but I'm going to keep trying. Someone usually completes the Oracle before me, but getting some extra gold, founding Confucianism, and having early access to courthouses aren't bad as consolation prizes.
Anyway, what it's really about is what Sid calls "a series of interesting choices". Certain strategies that work for some will not work for others, mainly because they simply don't suit your style, personality, experience, etc. But after seeing one player's account of winning a game on Monarch without building a single military unit, I'm convinced that in a game this wonderfully complex, you can make almost any strategy into a winning strategy.
n0xie
OCC-addict
Yeah and in order for you to get civil service you need CoL. And by that time the AI has long build the oracle before you.Gherald said:
Oracle slingshot is nice... on lower levels...
You might get CoL, Alfabet or Metal Casting from Oracle, but if you want the Civil Service slingshot you must have a deck stacked in your favour, at which point you probably can gain advantage without the slingshot. I'm not saying it's impossible to pull off, just that it won't happen every time, at which point you waisted a lot of beakers and hammers.
