Best Empire of Civ 4

[coolio2244242]

Which empire in civ 4 do you think was the BEST empire?

And try not to be nationalistic. Try to do it in your honest opinion and tell why you chose it.

Mongolian empire...biggest of all empires.

 

[ATopic22]

The arabs because how is it that throughout all of history, they were never invaded by anyone. For example the Turks in their rise to power invaded all around Saudia Arabia but never fully invaded it. Arabia has existed since the dawn of man as most history text books will tell you and was never invaded. Also when the prothet Mohamed(S.A.) spread the word of Islam, how is it that the last religion realised quickly became, even to today, the fastest growing religion and moving all the way to 2nd biggest. Not to mention that when they tried to take over much of the known world, they conquered all of Northern Africa and continued up through Spain to the center of France before Charlemange was able to stop them. They have had great leadership such as Saladin and Abu Bekr and have never once fallen.

 

[scooter]

This isn't really about Civ...

 

[Diamondeye]

This is a difficult question... In the end I vote for Arabia, but I am unsure whether the answer is my final one - the Inca and Aztec especially, were also great. Also the Romans and the Greeks deserve an applaud, and the mongols did a fine job aswell...

 

[aronnax]

The Chinese empire, in the vanilla, the Finiacial plus Industrious Traits were good for a rushing wonders and a stable economy for Qin Shi Huang. In warlords, its protective trait gives the its UU and even more powerful defending city position. Also the UU is good for defending stacks agaisnt meelee units

 

[Mr.Pizza]

German Empire.
The "Panzer".
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[deo]

The arabs because how is it that throughout all of history, they were never invaded by anyone. For example the Turks in their rise to power invaded all around Saudia Arabia but never fully invaded it. Arabia has existed since the dawn of man as most history text books will tell you and was never invaded. Also when the prothet Mohamed(S.A.) spread the word of Islam, how is it that the last religion realised quickly became, even to today, the fastest growing religion and moving all the way to 2nd biggest. Not to mention that when they tried to take over much of the known world, they conquered all of Northern Africa and continued up through Spain to the center of France before Charlemange was able to stop them. They have had great leadership such as Saladin and Abu Bekr and have never once fallen.

Indeed Arabia is a great Civ. And its really interesting to see how Mohamed created something so big out of nothing. And about the never invaded part, well, was there something to invade at all?

But I give this one to the Romans, their influence on the world today is simply too big.

 

[ATopic22]

Indeed Arabia is a great Civ. And its really interesting to see how Mohamed created something so big out of nothing. And about the never invaded part, well, was there something to invade at all?

But I give this one to the Romans, their influence on the world today is simply too big.

I see where youre coming from and indeed too, my second choice would have been rome but how can you say there was never anything to invade. its just like every other country, there are some things like oil but yes i agree maybe not so important in the early world.

 

[cybrxkhan]

i said China. because its had many empires.

i also made a similar thread in the World History Forum, about what are the Greatest Civilizations of History if any of you are interested...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=229931

 

[DrewTate]

Roma

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[biggamer132]

For those of you who are arguing for the Caliphate, need I remind that much of the administration and culture of that empire came from your friendly neighborhood Persians? Without the Ajam (Google it), you wouldn't have done nearly as much.

 

[LightSpectra]

There were several Chinese empires. Civ4 compiles them all into a single civilization for simplicity's sake, but to say "the Chinese empire was the greatest in history" is silly.

Mongolia was closest to conquering the entire world, Rome is the most influential, and Arabia was the most advanced (relative to other nations at its time).

 

[ATopic22]

why are so many people saying rome was the best when it wasnt. for one they dont exist anymore, and dont say Italy does. and two how can they be the best empire if their own greed and lust for power drove them to their downfall. look at the other empires that still exist like germany or france.

 

[potatokiosk]

why are so many people saying rome was the best when it wasnt.

Why not? Latin certainly has a greater influence on the language I'm currently typing in than, say, Arabic.

for one they dont exist anymore, and dont say Italy does.

Neither does the Caliphate.

and two how can they be the best empire if their own greed and lust for power drove them to their downfall.

Their own greed and lust caused them to control parts of the world that will never be unified again and hold them for centuries. They lasted almost 1500 years (counting the Byzantines) so judging them by their downfall only makes them look good.

look at the other empires that still exist like germany or france.

The modern states of France and Germany aren't empires.

 

[Breunor]

I'm with China, although it may be hard to classify them as an 'empire'. But China was probably the greatest power inthe world for a large part of history, has a tremendous culture, etc.


Breunor

 

[ATopic22]

Why not? Latin certainly has a greater influence on the language I'm currently typing in than, say, Arabic.



Neither does the Caliphate.



Their own greed and lust caused them to control parts of the world that will never be unified again and hold them for centuries. They lasted almost 1500 years (counting the Byzantines) so judging them by their downfall only makes them look good.



The modern states of France and Germany aren't empires.

Im just going to skip the first reply because i think its just stupid. The entire world doesnt use latin as an alphabet. There is the arabic as you stated as well as cyrlic and I dont know the proper name for the Chineese and Japaneese writing but just because you probably live in America and use the latin based alphabet, doesnt mean that the rest of the world does.

For your third reply, I have to say I was talking about Saudia Arabia as a country and not the caliphate history of it which as you may not know, was a government and not the country itself.

For the fourth reply, I have to say what? They barely controlled this empire and technically they didnt controll the empire for 1500 years because much of what they got later torwards their downfall like Britania was for a short time.

Lastly the last time I checked, France and Germany were countries. Countries and empires are basically the same thing except that one is outdated and is used more for older civilizations.

 

[deo]

So, what did Germany or France do that much compared to lets say, United States? USA has pretty much influenced the whole world in the last century.

But Rome, if it wasn't for them, there wouldn't be France, nor Germany, nor England or even USA, they are the ones that brought civilization in those parts of the world. After their fall, only in about a thousand years, European civilization would be in the same level Rome was.

 

[rabidveggie]

Its a toss up between Rome and England for me. Why Rome you may ask, well probably not unless your ATopic. Rome controlled almost all the known world in its time aside from the deepest darkest forests. As far as time of existence goes its probably one of the oldest. They revolutionized construction, and the Sciences of the time and had a very revolutionary governing body for its time, the senate which still echo's on today, just look at the US's political system. The English language was also heavily influenced by Latin and thats pretty much the language of trade today, maybe English isn't the most spoken language, but it definitely at the top for second known language. It held together mass amounts of the world for century's and lived on with the Byzantine empire even after the West collapsed. The Byzantine was only eventually vanquished when it became old, stagnated, and corrupt.

I picked England because it was very large and powerful for its time, and I suppose still is today and planted the seeds for the US, and Canada.

Now let us move on to what makes an empire. I'm no expert on the subject, but I personally would define an empire as a vast amounts of conquered land controlled from a central location that brings together different cultures, and languages. France still remains an echo empire, it still controls holdings in different area's of the world, but I doubt that will last much longer. Britain is not an empire anymore as it controls some over sea's land, but too small to really count. Germany is not an empire, its not even the same country it was after losing the Second World War. The US is likely the only Empire at the moment since it has overthrown and replaced governments that favors them.

A country is not the same thing as an empire.

 

[ATopic22]

So, what did Germany or France do that much compared to lets say, United States? USA has pretty much influenced the whole world in the last century.

But Rome, if it wasn't for them, there wouldn't be France, nor Germany, nor England or even USA, they are the ones that brought civilization in those parts of the world. After their fall, only in about a thousand years, European civilization would be in the same level Rome was.

The United States is really younger than other countries like Germany and sure every country influences the rest of the world but America shouldnt be a candidate because its had a short history and we dont know if the next hundred years or so will make it turn out like all the other great empires that have fallen.

 

[ATopic22]

Everyone I would like to appologize for my earlier replies but everyone has the right to argue right. Anyways sorry