BEST Female Leaders for Civ VII?

[Zaarin]

I'm now wondering if there were any French leaders who would speak Picard (no, not you, Jean-Luc). As I understand it, it's one of the most conservative langues d'oïl. Norman is pretty cool, too.

 

[Patine]

Just dropping by to suggest Queen Mavia of the Tanukhids as a possible alternate leader for an Arabian civ

Šamši - Wikipedia

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Another good one. Labelled by Assyrian King Tiglath-Pileser III, was constantly stymied by her tanacious guerilla warfare in a conflict to the control the Sinai frankensense trade, the, "Wild She-(donkey using old form word censored on this site) of the Desert."

 

[Patine]

Hold on... Charles De Gaulle was a female (or trans?)?

Not to my knowledge. It'd be be quite a shock of he was.

 

[Patine]

I mean that's a really debatable statement also, because it treat "French" as some kind of clear default language with a clear evolution that of course French leaders have spoken for many years, which it really isn't - the unified predominant French language is an artificial construct invented in the Early Modern period and enforced in the Industrial one to turn it into One Language.

Up until then, the concept of a French language would have at best been a loose nebulous idea covering many interrelated languages and dialects spoken across France. Most likely including Eleanor's Occitan.

(And Cath may not have had French for a maternal language - Queens rarely did - but she spoke it).

From a linguistic perspective, Occitano-Romance is more closely related to the langues d'oïl than to Ibero-Romance (despite the superficial resemblance of Catalan/Aragonese to Spanish), but not so closely that I'd agree with calling it "French." Culturally, certainly, langue d'oc was "French," and for a time it was more significant than any one langue d'oïl. (Actually, the state of Occitano-Romance, both Occitan and Catalan, is rather saddening, as I find them the most aesthetically pleasing of all the Romance languages.)

Modern, "French," is, of course, an artificial construct of the French Revolution to promote Nationalistic Unity and dispel Feudal Provincialism.

 

[Zaarin]

Šamši - Wikipedia

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Another good one. Labelled by Assyrian King Tiglath-Pileser III, was constantly stymied by her tanacious guerilla warfare in a conflict to the control the Sinai frankensense trade, the, "Wild She-(donkey using old form word censored on this site) of the Desert."

We have so little knowledge of the Arabs at that period beyond their existence that building a civ around them would be difficult--and I say that as the resident Bronze/Iron Age Near East nerd.

Modern, "French," is, of course, an artificial construct of the French Revolution to promote Nationalistic Unity and dispel Feudal Provincialism.

More accurately it was the langue d'oïl dialect of the Isle de France that was aggressively promoted in the wake of the French Revolution to the detriment of other d'oïl dialects and languages.

 

[Phrozen]

Modern, "French," is, of course, an artificial construct of the French Revolution to promote Nationalistic Unity and dispel Feudal Provincialism.

Isn't that the case for most languages? British with RP instead of the wildly varied dialects, some incomprehensible to further flung dialects, that inhabit the isles. Japanese uses Tokyo dialect as standard but there are varied dialects around the island with some words not even used in other dialects.

 

[awesome]

Some ideas:
Suiko of Japan
Hatshepsut of Egypt (rather than Cleopatra)
Puduhepa of Hittites
Amage of Sarmatia

I'd be surprised to see either Scythia or Kongo again in Civ7.

Scythia? Doubtful. Kongo? I wouldn’t be surprised.

 

[Zaarin]

Scythia? Doubtful. Kongo? I wouldn’t be surprised.

They tend to rotate African civs; I expect to see a new African civ, at least in the base game.

 

[pineappledan]

They tend to rotate African civs; I expect to see a new African civ, at least in the base game.

It really is incredible that the Ashanti haven’t made it into a game considering the amount of historical mania that the English-speaking world has generated wrt that culture. Seems like the same intense interest that got the Zulu into the game.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

They tend to rotate African civs; I expect to see a new African civ, at least in the base game.

Part of me thinks that for Civ 7 they'll give Mbande Nzinga her own civ, though that might change since we just got her as an alternate to Kongo. If not, I'd love for Idia of Benin/Edo to get that role.

 

[pineappledan]

I’m hoping they can give us a Guinean civ, and then still put in a sahelian/Sudanese civ by picking an empire further inland like the Hausa or Kanem-Bornu, rather than one like Mali or Ghana which are further west.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

It really is incredible that the Ashanti haven’t made it into a game considering the amount of historical mania that the English-speaking world has generated wrt that culture. Seems like the same intense interest that got the Zulu into the game.

Ah, but there hasn't been a movie named Ashant! starring Michael Caine . . .

 

[Zaarin]

I’m hoping they can give us a Guinean civ, and then still put in a sahelian/Sudanese civ by picking an empire further inland like the Hausa or Kanem-Bornu, rather than one like Mali or Ghana which are further west.

I'd really enjoy seeing Hausa in the game. If they make Muhammad Ahmad the leader of Sudan, they could get his great-great-grandson to voice him. Just saying.

 

[awesome]

Ah, but there hasn't been a movie named Ashant! starring Michael Caine . . .

But Murder Inc could produce their civ theme.

 

[Caesar of Bread]

Ah, but there hasn't been a movie named Ashant! starring Michael Caine . . .

Hold my beer, sir

 

[pineappledan]

I'd really enjoy seeing Hausa in the game. If they make Muhammad Ahmad the leader of Sudan, they could get his great-great-grandson to voice him. Just saying.

I meant Sudan the region, not the country. IMO the Hausa kingdoms would be great for 1-4 city-states, rather than a full civ. The civ slot should go to Kanem-Bornu.

 

[Zaarin]

I meant Sudan the region, not the country.

I have no strong opinion either way, but I would enjoy having Alexander Siddig in the game. The poor man deserves to be in something good for the first time since DS9.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I meant Sudan the region, not the country. IMO the Hausa kingdoms would be great for 1-4 city-states, rather than a full civ. The civ slot should go to Kanem-Bornu.

By Sudan do you mean Nubia? Because I'd rather them keep that name for the region, whether it's the current Merotic Kingdom we have now, or the one of the Medieval Christian kingdoms etc.

 

[pineappledan]

Sudan (region) - Wikipedia

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Ironically, the country of Sudan doesn’t include any part of the Sudan. Like how the country of Ghana has basically nothing to do with the empire of Ghana.

 

[Zaarin]

Sudan (region) - Wikipedia

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Ironically, the country of Sudan doesn’t include any part of the Sudan. Like how the country of Ghana has basically nothing to do with the empire of Ghana.

...Well, that's not confusing in the slightest. You'll find the same thing in the US, though, and probably anywhere that's been colonized. A good example is the Appalachian Mountains, named for the Apalachee people of Florida, who, obviously, did not live anywhere near the mountains.