BEST Female Leaders for Civ VII?

I dislike it for Austria not being lumped in Germany where it belongs :p
I would disagree with Austria being part of Germany. Is it German though, yes.

It's one of those things which to me would depend on the design of the particular civs in question. But it seems like Firaxis sees them separate, because they were in Civ 5 with Germany being portrayed more modern. Not to mention we have yet to get Austrian uniques or cities in their design.
 
On the very flip side, Maria Theresa was the German female leader in II :p

Which, yes, is old, but then again, the Holy Roman Empire was Germany (II) then a separate civ from Germany (IV) then Germany again (VI), so sometime they return to the earlier design rather than stick with the newer. Maria Theresa having appeared in one role in II and the other in V to me means she could appear in either roles in future iteration.

I think there's a strong "could go both way" on this with Firaxis. And I strongly favor one way and am not a fan of the other, because I'm not a fan of the over-Balkanization of Europe or the tendency to subdivide civilizations into their indicidual polities that we often see.
 
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On the very flip side, Maria Theresa was the German female leader in II :p

Which, yes, is old, but then again, the Holy Roman Empire was Germany (II) then a separate civ from Germany (IV) then Germany again (VI), so sometime they return to the earlier design rather than stick with the newer. Maria Theresa having appeared in one role in II and the other in V to me means she could appear in either roles in future iteration.

I think there's a strong "could go both way" on this with Firaxis. And I strongly favor one way and am not a fan of the other, because I'm not a fan of the over-Balkanization of Europe or the tendency to subdivide civilizations into their indicidual polities that we often see.
And, I have my viewpoints, which may not concur, that doesn't necessarily mean I have a distorted view of history or am an advocate Nationalistic thinking because of it. :)
 
Let’s see, Mao Zedong was the leader of China in Civ 1, which came out about 15 years after he died, and Wilma Mankiller, the Cherokee chief, died about 13 years ago…
 
Let’s see, Mao Zedong was the leader of China in Civ 1, which came out about 15 years after he died, and Wilma Mankiller, the Cherokee chief, died about 13 years ago…
Yes, and Indira Gandhi died more recently than her appearance in Civ2. But, as said several times above, the various standards of who appears in Civ games has changed drastically since Civ1 and Civ2, and even Civ3. Plus, Wilma Mankiller is probably NOT the best choice to lead the Cherokee - there are a fair number of far better leaders, as leaders go - they are not a civ starving for choice of leaders, even if not having as much of an abundance of them as some with long recorded histories.
 
Yes, and Indira Gandhi died more recently than her appearance in Civ2. But, as said several times above, the various standards of who appears in Civ games has changed drastically since Civ1 and Civ2, and even Civ3. Plus, Wilma Mankiller is probably NOT the best choice to lead the Cherokee - there are a fair number of far better leaders, as leaders go - they are not a civ starving for choice of leaders, even if not having as much of an abundance of them as some with long recorded histories.
You’re not very good at getting jokes.
 
You’re not very good at getting jokes.
You're not very good at using emojis. Plus, I was initially unfamiliar with the subject of the joke.
 
Alright let's list a few worthy names

  • Aethelflaed
  • Amanirenas
  • Anna Komnene
  • Arwa al-Sulyahi
  • Baba Tonka
  • Ching Sinh
  • Dihya
  • Florence Nightingale
  • Grace O'Malley
  • Hojo Masako
  • Hurrem Sultan
  • Idia
  • Jigonsahse
  • Lakshmibai, Rani of Jhani
  • Laskarina Bouboulina
  • Libussa
  • Liliuokalani
  • Livia Drusilla
  • Margrethe I
  • Matilda di Canossa
  • Empress Maud
  • Nur Jahan
  • Olga of Kiev
  • Osh-Tish
  • Salote III of Tonga
  • Siti Wan Kembang
  • Susan B. Anthony
  • Taytu Betul
  • Tin Hinan
  • Trung Trac
  • Urraca
  • Vera Atkins
  • Wangari Maathai
  • Yaa Ashantewa
  • Yeshe Tsogyal
  • Zenobia
There's plenty more if you dig deep enough...
 
Alright let's list a few worthy names

  • Aethelflaed
  • Amanirenas
  • Anna Komnene
  • Arwa al-Sulyahi
  • Baba Tonka
  • Ching Sinh
  • Dihya
  • Florence Nightingale
  • Grace O'Malley
  • Hojo Masako
  • Hurrem Sultan
  • Idia
  • Jigonsahse
  • Lakshmibai, Rani of Jhani
  • Laskarina Bouboulina
  • Libussa
  • Liliuokalani
  • Livia Drusilla
  • Margrethe I
  • Matilda di Canossa
  • Empress Maud
  • Nur Jahan
  • Olga of Kiev
  • Osh-Tish
  • Salote III of Tonga
  • Siti Wan Kembang
  • Susan B. Anthony
  • Taytu Betul
  • Tin Hinan
  • Trung Trac
  • Urraca
  • Vera Atkins
  • Wangari Maathai
  • Yaa Ashantewa
  • Yeshe Tsogyal
  • Zenobia
There's plenty more if you dig deep enough...
I find it I interesting that Maud is the only the ruler to be given her title...
 
I have advocated for a female Mongolia ruler for the last few Civs. There are some really good choices.

Börte, Khutulun or Töregene, who was perhaps the most powerful woman of the medieval era, are all great choices.

 
Big fan of any pirate queen, be it Ching Shih or Gráinne O'Malley.

On several occasions I've been beating the drum for South Sámi activist Elsa Laula Renberg (or just Elsa Laula) as the best choice for a Sámi civ, back when we all assumed that leaders would be tied to civs as always. I still believe she could be a great choice, being an important leading figure in early Sámi rights movements with a fondly remembered legacy (she took initiative to holding the first meeting for all Sámi in Norway and Sweden, which date is now the Sámi National Day; her birthday is a Sámi flag day; a statue of her was unveiled in Mosjøen, the town where she began her activism in Norway and which is near where she later would live; young Sámi demonstrators who blocked Oslo's main street last year "renamed" it to Elsa Laulan gæjnoe) and thus a representative from a globally-little-known European minority group and indigenous people. Personality-wise, besides the implicit strength and motivation needed to fight for Sámi rights in those times (she received some nasty public personal attacks in Sweden), she was also described as a strong orator.
 
On several occasions I've been beating the drum for South Sámi activist Elsa Laula Renberg (or just Elsa Laula) as the best choice for a Sámi civ, back when we all assumed that leaders would be tied to civs as always. I still believe she could be a great choice, being an important leading figure in early Sámi rights movements with a fondly remembered legacy (she took initiative to holding the first meeting for all Sámi in Norway and Sweden, which date is now the Sámi National Day; her birthday is a Sámi flag day; a statue of her was unveiled in Mosjøen, the town where she began her activism in Norway and which is near where she later would live; young Sámi demonstrators who blocked Oslo's main street last year "renamed" it to Elsa Laulan gæjnoe) and thus a representative from a globally-little-known European minority group and indigenous people. Personality-wise, besides the implicit strength and motivation needed to fight for Sámi rights in those times (she received some nasty public personal attacks in Sweden), she was also described as a strong orator.
I too would love a Sami civ now (or a civ that's not Viking/Swedish in Scandinavia like the Sami or Finland)!
 
Personally I'd take Queen Medb (Maeve) over Gráinne (Grace O'Malley) for Ireland. As important as Gráinne was to Irish resistance to the Tudors, her actions were largely provincial. To be honest the same is true for most chieftains of this time. The 16th-17th century is a very fractured time in Irish history and perhaps not our best time period for Irish representation.

Queen Medb may (or may not be) a historical figure but she is certainly a mythologised one. She led battles, recruited warriors from all over Ireland, divorced her husbands at will and had many lovers. In Irish tradition, our kings gained their right to rule by ritually marrying a sovereignty goddess. These goddesses went under many names. There were five principal royal sites in Ireland, and theoretically five major equally sized kingdoms.

There were two Queen Medbs who may be the same figure.

Medb Lethderg was associated with both the Kingdoms of Mide and the Kingdom of Laigin (Leinster). The other Medb was (and still is) associated with the Kingdom of Connacht. That is to say that at least three of the five kingdoms of Ireland are strongly associated with Medb. However the are places named after Medb in all provinces.
 
Big fan of any pirate queen, be it Ching Shih or Gráinne O'Malley.

On several occasions I've been beating the drum for South Sámi activist Elsa Laula Renberg (or just Elsa Laula) as the best choice for a Sámi civ, back when we all assumed that leaders would be tied to civs as always. I still believe she could be a great choice, being an important leading figure in early Sámi rights movements with a fondly remembered legacy (she took initiative to holding the first meeting for all Sámi in Norway and Sweden, which date is now the Sámi National Day; her birthday is a Sámi flag day; a statue of her was unveiled in Mosjøen, the town where she began her activism in Norway and which is near where she later would live; young Sámi demonstrators who blocked Oslo's main street last year "renamed" it to Elsa Laulan gæjnoe) and thus a representative from a globally-little-known European minority group and indigenous people. Personality-wise, besides the implicit strength and motivation needed to fight for Sámi rights in those times (she received some nasty public personal attacks in Sweden), she was also described as a strong orator.

Sayyida Al Hurra lol.

Alright let's list a few worthy names

  • Aethelflaed
  • Amanirenas
  • Anna Komnene
  • Arwa al-Sulyahi
  • Baba Tonka
  • Ching Sinh
  • Dihya
  • Florence Nightingale
  • Grace O'Malley
  • Hojo Masako
  • Hurrem Sultan
  • Idia
  • Jigonsahse
  • Lakshmibai, Rani of Jhani
  • Laskarina Bouboulina
  • Libussa
  • Liliuokalani
  • Livia Drusilla
  • Margrethe I
  • Matilda di Canossa
  • Empress Maud
  • Nur Jahan
  • Olga of Kiev
  • Osh-Tish
  • Salote III of Tonga
  • Siti Wan Kembang
  • Susan B. Anthony
  • Taytu Betul
  • Tin Hinan
  • Trung Trac
  • Urraca
  • Vera Atkins
  • Wangari Maathai
  • Yaa Ashantewa
  • Yeshe Tsogyal
  • Zenobia
There's plenty more if you dig deep enough...

My bets from this list:

* Matilda di Canossa - great leader for "Italy" even if Italy is a modern civ. She feels very much a birther of modern Italian identity in the same sense as a Confucius or Himiko.
* Olga of Kiev - if we get Byzantium -> Imperial Russia, she is an awesome in-between-ish leader without stepping on the Russia/Ukraine issue much. I do see her competing with Matilda for "leader abilities" concept, though.

* Jeanne de Arc - nevermind, it's just going to be Joan of Arc, probably. Meh.
* Zenobia - come on. If any female leader without a civ should happen, she made a whole empire by her damn self. That's at least on the level of Napoleon and Alexander.
* Margrethe I - I think Denmark is super likely to be the exploration Scandi civ, and if it gets a leader she is totally in.

Somewhat Less Likely:

* Grace O'Malley - if only because I doubt we will see an exploration or modern Ireland, until I start seeing more "kingdom"-sized civs instead of aggressively expansionist empires. I could see her representing "Ireland" in a game without Ireland, while also having a fairly distinct personality to work leader abilities around.
* Urraca - super cool idea broadening the idea of Spain with a leader, albeit not one that gets a lot of attention online. I think absent an online fandom Isabella is more likely to come back.
* Nur Jahan - If big civs get second leaders, she's a solid choice for "India." But let's be real, this will be the first civ in which Gandhi actually makes sense.
Jigonsahse - really just depends on if the Iroquois actually happen. If they do, I would bet on her.

Write-offs:

* Salote/Liliuokalani/Wangari/etc. - too recent, I'm betting, especially if as I suspect they are avoiding any pre-WWI polity.
* Idia/Diyha - would be nice, but next to Amina I am dubious we will get more badass queens from West Africa.
* Hojo Masako - Japan getting two female leaders? A nice idea but unlikely given the gender spread in past games, imo.
* Arwa A-Sulyahi - I just want the wonder, I don't really need her. :P

I also think we will see some returners. I think Maria Teresa, Wu Zetian, and Eleanor make a LOT of sense for regions that will likely not have Austria, Tang Dynasty, or the Angevins. And if Scythia or Georgia return and get leaders I think Tomyris and Tamar are far and away the only just options. I also think that, to give the Confucius idea full consideration, we want Carthage with Dido or Phoenicia with Hannibal but not both, so Dido's chances are about 50/50 (if I had my druthers, it would just be Dido/Phoenicia again, Hannibal/Carthage is far less unique/interesting to me).
 
Ftr, I forgot to include Sayyida and Mandukhai Khatun because they're SUCH obvious picks I don't even consider them that obscure anymore. :lol:
 
I'm still a fan of Sorghaghtani Beki for a female Mongolian leader. She's a fascinating figure who is little known in the West.
 
* Jeanne de Arc - nevermind, it's just going to be Joan of Arc, probably. Meh.
They went with the name Jeanne d'Arc for Civ 6, as a Great General.
Salote/Liliuokalani/Wangari/etc. - too recent, I'm betting, especially if as I suspect they are avoiding any pre-WWI polity.
Liliuokalani makes more sense in Civ 7, than Civ 6. I wrote her off last game because she was a Great Musician.
 
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