Best thing about Civ4?

[Risbinroch]

The best thing is that it shall be easy to mod, hope it's easy enough for us non-programmers aswell...

However, there are far more stuff that I'm concerned/sceptic off, than thrills me - but if it's so easy to mod, perhaps this will be good anyway.

 

[Bast]

This year global-warming doesn't exist. We had a pretty cold winter in Europe.

The consequences of having a cold winter were:

Gas bills were higher.
Beer expenses were also higher.
Less veggies in the market, more pricey, less veggies in the dish.
Less fun watching soccer on live.

I wish we had global warming and we could populate Greenland again, like in the XII century, when when the south part of Greenland was green and the global weather was warmer than today's. (Why do you think Greenland has that name?) Then, maybe the Dannish could be a Civ IV civilization. Greenland belongs to Denmark, I think.


They did very well removing the pollution thing and the global-warming fuss. Kyoto treaty sucks.

Global warming does NOT mean every part of the world becomes warm. Some parts of Europe are actually forecasted to get colder.

 

[Azash]

This year global-warming doesn't exist. We had a pretty cold winter in Europe.

The consequences of having a cold winter were:

Gas bills were higher.
Beer expenses were also higher.
Less veggies in the market, more pricey, less veggies in the dish.
Less fun watching soccer on live.

I wish we had global warming and we could populate Greenland again, like in the XII century, when when the south part of Greenland was green and the global weather was warmer than today's. (Why do you think Greenland has that name?) Then, maybe the Dannish could be a Civ IV civilization. Greenland belongs to Denmark, I think.


They did very well removing the pollution thing and the global-warming fuss. Kyoto treaty sucks.

A bit of Viking history for you: Those who found Greenland wanted people to inhabit it, but realized it was very cold and unattractive, so they named it Greenland.

Iceland was very fertile and so on, due to all the geysir activity and such, but the guys who discovered it wanted it to themselves. Hence, Iceland.

 

[Abegweit]

Global warming does NOT mean every part of the world becomes warm. Some parts of Europe are actually forecasted to get colder.

The predictions of the scaremongers are that everywhere will get worse. More tornados on the American plains. Drier in Australia. Colder in Europe. Hotter in the desert. More hurricanes in the Caribbean.

It's all lies, of course. Scaremongering doesn't work when you have good news... so the scaremongers have to find something to stir up the masses with. God forbid that we tell Canadians that this is good news. So they don't mention it.

It's too bad that the Earth isn't warming up, because a warmer world would be a better world.

A warmer world would be a wetter world because hot air can carry more moisture than cold air. Water is good. Plants like it and so do animals. Unsurprisingly, there were lakes in the Sahara during the Neolithic Climatic Optimum (note the name: Climatic Optimum, NOT Climatic Disaster).

It would also warm more at higher latitudes than lower ones, leading to a warmer Europe but little changes in the tropics. In the days of the dinos, when the average global temp was 6 degrees higher than today, it was tropical almost to the poles.

Because weather is largely caused by the temperature differential beween the tropics and the poles, there would be less catatrophic weather, not more.

Lies. All of it. But then, these people get paid to lie. So what do you expect?

 

[ironduck]

Oh dear.

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[Fr3aK]

I'm excited about the fact that it's another great new Civ game...
Corey Clark

 

[Sickman]

It's all lies, of course.

It's too bad that the Earth isn't warming up, because a warmer world would be a better world.

A warmer world would be a wetter world because hot air can carry more moisture than cold air.
Lies. All of it. But then, these people get paid to lie. So what do you expect?

First of all I agree that there are many scaremongers out there but at the same time there many those that don't see even the possibility of global warming especially since they have blind fate for believe that "humans of my kind will ultimately prevail".

The problem is that the term "global warming" is misleading.
We should be talking about "global or local climate changes".

Thing is that if humans affect the nature and weather with their current way of living (as they do: which is proven, the way where it leads is still very uncertain) the problem is that this can unbalance (or better would be "change it" temporarily or for ever) the current global system of climate and could lead to extreme changes in weather and other natural events certain parts of the world.

And yes the Gulf Stream can turn leading into more colder Europe, Icecaps can melt, more tornados and storms can appear in many places...this is the reality and not a lie. Those who oppose these images are paid as much for lying as those that scare with them.
The problem of this is that the scope of these things might be small to some and some might not even care rat's ass what's happening just like nobody would have really cared if the Tsunami was result of human pollution. As nobody would believe it.
Nobody would first believed as we don't see the strings but if someone says that pulling certain strings now can have disastraeous and unpredictable results would you still be pulling them?

For some it might get much worse, for some much better.
That's the way world turns.
Question is which one happens to you and your family.

 

[skylined]

Modability. I'm a programmer so I can't wait to dig deep into the AI code.

totally agreed
Most of all i'm waiting for powerful AI SDK

 

[Abegweit]

@Sickman

All I said was that the whole global warming hysteria is a pack of lies. There are so many lies that it's hard even to know where to start tackling them.

I did not deny the possibility that the earth could warm up. That is proven by history. It has done so repeatedly. I did not deny the possibility that the Gulf Stream could move. There was a time that it didn't exist. I did not deny that possibility that human may affect climate. They obviously do on a local scale (cities are warmer than countryside). I sincerely doubt that we can affect it globally, but I am willing to entertain the possibly.

What I did tackle was the global warming hysteria.

This is founded on a lie: the Earth is not warming up, as measured by satellite, balloon, and ice cores. Since the liars can't deny the hard data, they look to "proxies" like tree cores to find evidence for their lies.

They follow through with a host of other lies, such as the theory that changes in carbon dioxide levels could have anything more than a small impact on the Greenhouse Effect. Why do you never hear about the fact that CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas and that Methane is even less important? Does one person in a thousand know which gas is responsible for 98% of the Effect?

 

[Sickman]

I kinda agree everything you said now Abegweit.

Your original post seemed to notify (for me) that you were among those who don't believe anything those could happen but everything is good and going well when there are issues in our enviroment to be solved if we want to continue living as it is for now. The main problem being that we don't know what happens and what are natural periodic changes and which not.

In my opinion "Global Warming" is campaign of enviroment thinking went badly wrong as people started to believe into public stunt which was originally just made to wake people up into possibilities what might go wrong.

However problem is that even if such problems could be truth the current state of discussion about climatical changes and especially whole "global warming"-fiasko has lead us into labyrinth of smoke and mirrors.

So actual facts are and stay remain to be proven until possible notified to be true by majesty herself, mother nature.

 

[Abegweit]

Your original post seemed to notify (for me) that you were among those who don't believe anything those could happen but everything is good and going well

If you want something to worry about, we are overdue for another Ice Age by about a thousand years. But, you see, the problem with worrying about that there are no jobs in it. What will the scaremongers do for a living? No research. No nice tax-paid junkets to far-away places.

there are issues in our enviroment to be solved if we want to continue living as it is for now.

What issues exactly? In the rich countries every important environmental issue has been resolved at least 30 years ago. Take air quality. The best records in the world are for London. Air cleanliness has been improving continuously for more than a hundred years, most of that time without demagogues and scaremongers to erect huge bureaucracies to nanny people.

The main problem being that we don't know what happens and what are natural periodic changes and which not.

Which does not stop the scaremongers from pronouncing definitively on the issue and agitating for Something To Be Done. Take the hole in the ozone layer. It has since been discovered that it is periodic in nature and related to the sunspot cycle. But they didn't give us back our CFCs, did they? To do that, they would have to admit that they are not omniscient.

Actually, the hole in the ozone layer is an excellent example of the kind of lies they inflict on us. The CFC hypothesis may or may not have been reasonable. However, once again they hide basic science from us. The ozone layer has no impact whatever on life on earth. First, there are two kinds of UV radiation, A and B. Only one causes cancer, B I believe, and the ozone layer does not stop it. Secondly, eliminating the ozone layer is equivalent to the amount of additional radiation you would get by moving south SIXTY MILES. Read this and ask yourself why the numbers aren't correct. Or what time of day, day of year and latitude have to do with it. Either it's dangerous or its not. Right?

In my opinion "Global Warming" is campaign of enviroment thinking went badly wrong as people started to believe into public stunt which was originally just made to wake people up into possibilities what might go wrong.

Follow the money. Climate "science" is big business.

 

[Sickman]

If you want something to worry about,

I do not worry about these kind of issues personally. What happens, happens and most of these issues are totally out of my control so why to worry.
Even if global warming would be true worrying wouldn't change anything. Worrying is as effective as hoping for better times or regretting past times.
Tell you the truth if someone would tell me that end of the world is coming, I wouldn't care.

What issues exactly? In the rich countries every important environmental issue has been resolved at least 30 years ago.

For such bright fellow like you that sounds little like absurdity.
Now that you brought it partly up how about the western style of living and consumption (big hummers and all) will be also become part of countries like of China and India? Don't you think it as environmental hazard?
In my view we have been living exceptionally good times in Western history in many sense and things could be lot worse. However this doesn't say anything about other parts of the world or about things in the future. And maybe, just maybe the whole good life in western civilization right now is based into the fact that scaremongers have existed prior and have made people think before acted. This is the other side of the issue.

What comes to the air condition, it could be better in many places and whole part of that air cleaning process is partly because of those environmentalist that brought the issue into the surface earlier rather than later. In that sense if somebody is scaremonger there are pros and cons to it. The pros is that certain issues become to the knowledge of public but the cons are that because of "don't cry wolf"-effect eventually people stop care about the more important issues while more and more headlines come up about some minor issue or issue that there's no actual facts present.
People's Need for Comfort and People's Fear are the keys to control people.
Wherever, whenever you want to make them do.

Something To Be Done.

There is always something to be done if you want to keep your grandchildren healthy. Of course that message is exaggarated just like many others in this frontier mission for earth liberation.

Take the hole in the ozone layer. It has since been discovered that it is periodic in nature and related to the sunspot cycle.

The CFC hypothesis may or may not have been reasonable. However, once again they hide basic science from us.

Either it's dangerous or its not. Right?

Has this been proven?
I mean of course the hole in ozone layer is periodic and related to that cycle but is it been proven that humans don't affect the cycle?

And that is the most important factor. The human science (even though considered moving fast forward?) has been only around very short amount of time and many of the phenomena of this world has been studied only extreme short amount of time. Point is that are these things dangerous in long time period or not.

Many basic facts of science are "hided" from common people mainly because the simplified models are easier to use in politics and adding them "emotional" value will make people choose the "right" choice.
The main reason behind that science news are pretty simple is that most of the people are stupid (even if one might be throughoutly educated).

Follow the money. Climate "science" is big business.

Yes, it is, same goes to the big business that tries to prove scaremongers wrong and say everything is OK. True dollars are used to hide environmental issues so people can "feel" safe while they are having numerous side effects example because of pollution from industry.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Hey guys, if you want to argue the politics and science of Global Warming, could you do so privately, and not commit a threadjack. Come on, lets get it back OT OK?

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[Sickman]

Come on, lets get it back OT OK?

OK, I'm mostly finished with my thoughts anyway.
Abegweit can of course comment if he really wants to.

 

[Abegweit]

Agreed.

10 characters.

 

[ThERat]

only one more comment:

Abegweit, are you actually George W. (the guy that appears in the funny video) in disguise? Your statements at least suggest that.

 

[Abegweit]

Like all politicians Bush is a first class liar. Unlike some, he is also a fool.

He believes he has a mission from God to protect the world from evildoers and instead brings death and destruction on innocents.

He is no different from the environmental fanatics in that regard.

 

[Legionary37]

Everyone, please ! We don't need *ANOTHER* discussion of politics\religion\economics.

Anyway, generally, what I think is the best thing about civ 4 is defenitely religion. It adds a much larger dynamic to the game. Following close behind is the (hopefully) better AI and more gameplay options.