Best Unique Unit

[mystikmind2005]

The I.G.Mod.71/84, Germany's first infantry repeating rifle, is a further evolution of Paul Mauser's first successful military rifle, the I.G.Mod.71. German Mauser. Taking advantage of critical lessons learned from the Turks at the battles of Plevna in 1877, (where the Turks, armed in important part with M1866 Winchester repeating rifles soundly defeated the numerically superior Russians )

the Henry and Spencer's were around in 1860. A twenty year gap.

Ah well there you have it, the Americans flushed their military advantage down the toilet by selling it to the Turks and who knows how many others!

Also you can see how in the real world, when powerful industrial nations go to war, they will inevitably be examining each others weapons recovered here and there during the fighting. This will give them a massive boost in technology to develop the same weapons themselves. This effect is completely ignored in civ4. So although you could be fighting enemy riflemen with musketeers for 100 years in civ4, no one in your army ever thinks to pick up a rifle and look at it??

 

[Circuit]

Ah well there you have it, the Americans flushed their military advantage down the toilet by selling it to the Turks and who knows how many others!

Also you can see how in the real world, when powerful industrial nations go to war, they will inevitably be examining each others weapons recovered here and there during the fighting. This will give them a massive boost in technology to develop the same weapons themselves. This effect is completely ignored in civ4. So although you could be fighting enemy riflemen with musketeers for 100 years in civ4, no one in your army ever thinks to pick up a rifle and look at it??

Interesting. So should there be a tech boost from war?

Something I learned from history class. War impacts the mixing of ideas. As well as trade, conquest, and religion. I like that post.

Wait a minute. I'm off topic!

 

[SilentHunter]

The I.G.Mod.71/84, Germany's first infantry repeating rifle, is a further evolution of Paul Mauser's first successful military rifle, the I.G.Mod.71. German Mauser. Taking advantage of critical lessons learned from the Turks at the battles of Plevna in 1877, (where the Turks, armed in important part with M1866 Winchester repeating rifles soundly defeated the numerically superior Russians )

the Henry and Spencer's were around in 1860. A twenty year gap.

I'm surprised to read that Plevna was a Russian defeat: it obviously was a victory. Your comparison of handguns and rifle is somewhat weak because on european ground your cavalry would have had to face Krupp german guns with shrappnel (used in 1870 war against France) and I'm quite sure it would have been a quick end for them. So, no US cavalry is not for me a good UU for US.

At the time, french rifle (chassepot) at a practical firing range of 1km, while german one was 800m. It gives plenty of time to kill any cavalrymen.

"The siege had held up the main Russian advance into Bulgaria and captured the world's admiration. The fall of Pleva freed up Russian reinforcements, which were sent to Joseph Vladimirovich Gourko, who then decisively defeated the Turks in the fourth battle of Shipka Pass. "

You also forgot to add that Plevna was a siege against entrenched Turks, behind city walls. And there, yes a machine gun + rapid firing weapon is superior to a 1815 russian model rifle.

 

[Firestorm94]

i prefer the byzantines' cataphracts. they allow for quick wars and are like praets on horses

 

[JustinianVII]

^ ^ Seconded. Cataphracts FTW.

Churchill's Redcoats, though, also make for some fun conquering and being able to wallop several countries at the same time.

 

[alfon]

My favorite are the prateorians and redcoats come in second.

 

[bestbrian]

The problem is that the US developed repeating rifles (Henry/Spencer) and early machine guns (Gatling/Coffee Mill, etc) during the Civil War, but never adopted them in a widespread fashion. The Ordnance Office of the War Deparment was notoriously inept, parsimonious, and backwards thinking throughout the war. Hence, the US Army fought the the next 30 years of Indian Wars with single-shot Sharps Carbines and Springfield rifles while the Indians had the Winchesters. And when the US went to war with Spain, US troops were hopelessly outgunned by Spaniards with Mausers and Maxim guns. Truly pathetic for a country to send it's people to war without the best tools it can invent and afford.

Best unit is the Fast Worker, hands down.

 

[OldStyle]

To me an ideal unique unit for the US would be the M4 tank. Same capalities as a regular tank but at a lower cost to simulate the production might of the US. Then you would have hordes of Sherman's running around and really bringing the arsenal of democracy to bear.

 

[bestbrian]

To me an ideal unique unit for the US would be the M4 tank. Same capalities as a regular tank but at a lower cost to simulate the production might of the US. Then you would have hordes of Sherman's running around and really bringing the arsenal of democracy to bear.

No matter what Civ I play with on Warlords, I always have hordes of Shermans running around towards the end of the game.

Seriously, they gave the Panzer to the Germans and I don't think they'd go for two Tank UUs. I think pretty much any American UU is going to be a Modern Era unit and of little impact until late in the game. Off the top of my head I'd think of maybe a Super Carrier or perhaps a Real Marine Unit.

 

[Gainy III]

I like the idea of most however they rarely seem to be that useful, there is no best uu in Civ!!

 

[knowltok2]

How about a US WWII submarine? The Gato class kicked ass and strangled Japan. Half of all Japanese ships sunk were from submarines.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Dog Soldier.

Good luck, online axe/quecha whores . Watch out for persia though.

Perfect barb D unit that allows you to skip an early tech and changes settling priority quite a bit.

Can be had fast for chokes on both AI and human players alike and is thoroughly obnoxious.

Little weak rushing with it though.

 

[Korias]

I have to say the Celts unit, the Gallic Warrior.

Why? He's weaker than the Praetorian, and replaces the same unit.

The 10% City attack actualy comes in really handy. In groups of 2-3, they can easily decimate city's defenses (I do tend to play with Raging Barbs on, so the majority of cities I conquer are barbarian).

 

[CCRunner]

I have to say the Celts unit, the Gallic Warrior.

Why? He's weaker than the Praetorian, and replaces the same unit.

The 10% City attack actually comes in really handy. In groups of 2-3, they can easily decimate city's defenses (I do tend to play with Raging Barbs on, so the majority of cities I conquer are barbarian).

Still, 8 > 6.6 An extra promo, especially one that IMO is one of the not so good ones, isn't worth almost 1.5 strength early in the game.

Praetorian gets my vote.

 

[dankok8]

The best one is Praetorian by far. My favorite is probably the Oromo Warrior.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I forgot to mention Keshiks/Numidians earlier. Keshiks can probably take as much land as praetorians...

 

[AmazonQueen]

Praetorian for best but I like Immortals, Cataphracts, Vultures, Conquistidors and Numidians more.

The US War Department could afford to be parsimonious. Apart from the badly outnumbered Native Americans and a badly governed southern neighbour the US faced no serious external threats after the War with the British 1812-1814.

 

[Iranon]

1 Quechua
2 War Chariot
3 Immortal
4.5 Cho-Ko-Nu
4.5 Praetorian

***

Early and painless gains snowball, so the best UUs in my opinion are early archer-killers. Quechuas because their rush is the fastest and because they're still useful past their prime (buildable for a ridiculously long time, dirt cheap riot control, mass upgrades for a limited form of 'rush-buying' with a free promotion thrown in).

Cho-Ko-Nu and Praetorians are the only other units that come close from my experience. Praetorians are always solid: very powerful in the classical age, and many turns later they are effectively discount Macemen which isn't bad at all.
Cho-Ko-Nu complete dominate the battlefield for millenia and can be beelined effectively, but they require more of an investment.

Honourable Mention: Conquistador, for being a unit that can do everything - attack, defended, decimate siege. Having them as the default garrison unit means effective relays can create local superiority out of thin air - extremely powerful for counterattacks. Far too late to compete with the top dogs though.

 

[Korias]

Still, 8 > 6.6 An extra promo, especially one that IMO is one of the not so good ones, isn't worth almost 1.5 strength early in the game.

Praetorian gets my vote.

True, but They also only require Copper. If I remember correct, a Praetorian requires Iron. So if you dont have a source of iron, they can help you capture it.

I agree, City Attack I isnt THAT good. But it has its uses, and I often find myself in a situation where it is incredibly handy.

Plus if you build them in a city with a Dun, they also start with the Guerilla I promotion as well.

 

[salty mud]

I like the Praetorian, Cossack and Fast Worker for obvious reasons.