Beta HOF Rules/FAQ

[Quantum7]

Just noticed there's also a histogram option which allows you to compare your own entry to others graphically. Wow!

 

[Bozso]

Hello!

Would you tell me how often do you update HOF as I posted several games 2day ago but I am still not able to see them.

 

[Denniz]

Hello!

Would you tell me how often do you update HOF as I posted several games 2day ago but I am still not able to see them.

Welcome to the Hall of Fame, Bozso!

Civ 4 Hall of Fame is updated twice a month. The next update should be around the 10th.

If you want to check the status of your submitted games, Login to the HoF and click on "My Submissions".

 

[superslug]

The Rules have been updated, some information is repeated from other sections for emphasis, but there is one change, as all mods are now banned from Hall of Fame play:

Versions
The only versions currently acceptable are:

• 1.09 but only until January 9th! Games started before then should be done under 1.52.
• 1.52 New Random Seed on Reload must be disabled (unchecked). No Cheat Mode must be enabled (checked). No mods are to be used with this patch.
• Games started under any patch must be finished in said patch.
• When future patches are released, the HOF staff must review them before deeming them legal for HOF submissions and play.

MODS
All mods are now banned for Hall of Fame play. An HOF megamod with approved versions of some mods is now in development, release date uncertain. Until then, 1.52 games should be played without mods, but with No Cheat Mode.

 

[Smirk]

Hopefully Firaxis will give more thought to their current heavy handed approach to security with an upcoming patch and then you don't have to draw such a overbearing line.

 

[superslug]

Hopefully Firaxis will give more thought to their current heavy handed approach to security with an upcoming patch and then you don't have to draw such a overbearing line.

Banning mods was a tough call and I only did it because it's temporary. We'll get something together where we can authorize select mods and still have the desired security. I really do believe the best of both worlds is possible here, a true win-win.

 

[Smirk]

...Regenerate Map does not create an autosave for the new 4000BC map. You have to remember to save the new map if you are going for an HoF submission.

I'd like to revisit this topic in light of new information. Oddly, in the log each regenerate counts as a new session. Also oddly, but this oddness seems to cancel out the previous, the regeneration is iteratively based on the original map. Thus generating map 1 then regenerating will produce map 2, if you go back and load the 4000 BC save of map 1 and regenerate again you will get map 2 again!

This may also explain why a new 4000 BC file isn't saved, as the regeneration is tractable as all other random events in a given game.

So, does this change anything, could you submit the original 4000 BC. Could you remake your regenerated 4000 BC file and submit that (by regenerating the original) if you forgot the save the regenerated map the first time? Also, how will you deal with the sessions, you can tell them from reloading because the original map can be regenerated to your map, but not unless the original map is submitted. Submit both, or each regeneration?

 

[Denniz]

I'd like to revisit this topic in light of new information. Oddly, in the log each regenerate counts as a new session. Also oddly, but this oddness seems to cancel out the previous, the regeneration is iteratively based on the original map. Thus generating map 1 then regenerating will produce map 2, if you go back and load the 4000 BC save of map 1 and regenerate again you will get map 2 again!

This may also explain why a new 4000 BC file isn't saved, as the regeneration is tractable as all other random events in a given game.

So, does this change anything, could you submit the original 4000 BC.

Don't submit the original 4000BC file as we know it is not the same as the regenerated one.

Could you remake your regenerated 4000 BC file and submit that (by regenerating the original) if you forgot the save the regenerated map the first time?

We will have to check first to see if they are identical or not. For now, I would say don't submit this either.

Also, how will you deal with the sessions, you can tell them from reloading because the original map can be regenerated to your map, but not unless the original map is submitted. Submit both, or each regeneration?

We will take these kind of things into consideration during the beta. That's why it is important to remember to make the save after regenerating a map. If we see a 4000BC with a few sessions it is pretty easy to understand what's going on.

I know that doesn't help much if you forgot to save, but all we can do is handle those on a case by case basis. The next best thing would be the earliest possible save you've got for game you are submitting.

Hopefully, Firaxis will be able to patch this next time around.

 

[Smirk]

Ok thanks, I submitted a few games mainly for testing purposes that are rengenerated and included the other files as well. I'm sure it mostly just confused you all but would help if you are trying to determine, without human intervention, what people may be submitting.

Some may not even notice that the 4000 BC save is not the original game until they've been burned by it at least once.

 

[Bozso]

The Rules have been updated, some information is repeated from other sections for emphasis, but there is one change, as all mods are now banned from Hall of Fame play:

What dows it mean. Unfortunately I don't have Internet acces at home and I played a lot with the game during Christmas.

I used Blue marbel mod. Is that mode banned as well, AS it only contains grapichs features?

Will my Games cont to HOF?

 

[Big_Ben]

You probably played using version 1.09 since the 1.52 came out during the Christmas break period. Mods were allowed in 1.09, so yes they will count. Beta gauntlet 1 was due in by Dec 24 though. Beta Gauntlet 2 has to be played in 1.52 I do believe.

 

[Dianthus]

@Bozso, exactly as Big_Ben said. Just submit the games and we'll let you know if there are any problems with them. Note that we don't count it against you if there are problems .

 

[superslug]

Two updates, but no real rules changes:

• As mentioned in another sticky, we now have an HOF mod with some mods incorporated into it. Questions and suggestions for future additions to that mod should go in the relevant thread.
• We have a 4000bc checkpage where you can upload your start file and know that your settings are HOF legal. You'll have to be logged in to use this feature. (Please note that this is just a check, you still need to submit your 4000bc with your submissions.)

 

[Bozso]

Two updates, but no real rules changes:

• As mentioned in another sticky, we now have an HOF mod with some mods incorporated into it. Questions and suggestions for future additions to that mod should go in the relevant thread.
• We have a 4000bc checkpage where you can upload your start file and know that your settings are HOF legal. You'll have to be logged in to use this feature. (Please note that this is just a check, you still need to submit your 4000bc with your submissions.)

Hello I checked my BC4000 and for almost my all games I got a red "Map already used". What does it mean?
I am always playing with random maps, how can it be?

 

[Dianthus]

Hello I checked my BC4000 and for almost my all games I got a red "Map already used". What does it mean?
I am always playing with random maps, how can it be?

That check uses a CRC of the map to check if the map is one that has been used in another submission in the HOF database. Generally when this happens it's just that a player has accidentally submitted the same game twice, or with the start file check page they are checking a game they have already submitted.

Could you send the file to hof@civfanatics.net and I'll check it?

 

[EMan]

@Bozso: This probably has Nothing to do with your problem.......But, the other day, I couldn't submit a game to the Civ 3 HOF, nor would it check games at 4000BC. (The box where one puts the filename "emptied" and the cursor sat at the beginning of that box.)

The point of all this is that I re-booted my computer and it solved the problem!! (Who knows what the problem was. [Rhetorical])

 

[Moonsinger]

Hello I checked my BC4000 and for almost my all games I got a red "Map already used". What does it mean?
I am always playing with random maps, how can it be?

It could also means exactly what it says! Even when the map is 100% random, mathematically, it's possible for the same random map to show up more than once. This probability is extremely rare, but it's possible!

 

[Bozso]

It could also means exactly what it says! Even when the map is 100% random, mathematically, it's possible for the same random map to show up more than once. This probability is extremely rare, but it's possible!

Ok I tcan be for one map, but I have checked about 10MAPS with the sam result!!!

 

[Bozso]

That check uses a CRC of the map to check if the map is one that has been used in another submission in the HOF database. Generally when this happens it's just that a player has accidentally submitted the same game twice, or with the start file check page they are checking a game they have already submitted.

Could you send the file to hof@civfanatics.net and I'll check it?

I havr just sent a mail to you with some bc4000, would you please check them.

 

[Dianthus]

I havr just sent a mail to you with some bc4000, would you please check them.

Thanks for the files Bozso. I've looked at them and they are all matches for games that you have already submitted!