Beta UHV discussion
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merijn_v1
Black Belt
I already came up with this one myself, so I already included it.
Science Rules
Prince
Is Marseille required for the Genoan UHV? I don't think the text has been updated to reflect the move to provinces.
3Miro
Deity
Suggestion for England:
- Ruler of the seas. Do not let any other nations build a colonial project until 1492 (or there about).
You would have to build a lot of ships and pillage AA:s
England already has an a-historic UHV (conquer France). Unlike the French conquest, blocking the Spanish early on is something that they didn't even try to do. Pillaging the AA will make your UHV easier, but it doesn't fit to be a UHV on its own.
AbsintheRed
Deity
Agreed with 3Miro, I also dislike this UHV for England
ezzlar
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Ok, but I dont really like the conquer France UHV. Feels really ahistorical.
England and Spain did have enormous naval battles as I recall! (The Armada) The goal was partially to stop the privateering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada
England and Spain did have enormous naval battles as I recall! (The Armada) The goal was partially to stop the privateering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada
3Miro
Deity
Ok, but I dont really like the conquer France UHV. Feels really ahistorical.
England and Spain did have enormous naval battles as I recall! (The Armada) The goal was partially to stop the privateering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years'_War
England has most of France at one point of time. The conquest is not that ahistoric as it did almost happen.
The Spanish - English conflict is represented with the English UHV to establish colonial domination, which conflicts with the Spanish colonial UHV and "hunt Protestant" UHV. Historically, the English used piracy to get ahead in colonialism only after the Spanish had a great lead and an enormous Empire.
urban
Chieftain
I tend to feel that the colony UHVs are too easy. with the exception of Portugal, I've never had any problem with them. With the multiple Indian and Chinese, I think there are too many. I haven't played France yet, but especially with the English and Spanish, by this time in the game I am so far ahead and have so much production power, that I can take my time. I don't have aa solution at hand, but ill think about it.
I agree that the colonial ones are too easy, the number of colonies could easily be increased.
Anyone have tips on the first Lithuania (4000 culture) UHV? I had my cities building cultural buildings as I went straight for drama, then put max culture slider and set my cities to building culture. During that time I conquered 7 cities and had all of them building culture, yet I still had only about 3000 in 1386.
Anyone have tips on the first Lithuania (4000 culture) UHV? I had my cities building cultural buildings as I went straight for drama, then put max culture slider and set my cities to building culture. During that time I conquered 7 cities and had all of them building culture, yet I still had only about 3000 in 1386.
Lithuania is a placeholder and hasn't been balanced or fleshed out, so no need to worry about them yet
As for colonies, they are very easy to get once the train starts rolling, why not reduce the number and change UHVs to "control" rather than "build"?
Just make sure there are enough national wonder type things so that the Dutch gets a fair shake.
As for colonies, they are very easy to get once the train starts rolling, why not reduce the number and change UHVs to "control" rather than "build"?
Just make sure there are enough national wonder type things so that the Dutch gets a fair shake.
AbsintheRed
Deity
Control? Colonies are projects, they are not tied to the cities where you "build" them.
Nevertheless, I agree that most of the colonial UHVs are too easy.
The UHVs are for the human player, so we don't have to care about the AI being able to achive them or not
rock_star
Warlord
The 3rd Spanish UHV is troubling to me, as it can depend too much on random chance - I did well enough to prevent Printing Press from being discovered until the Dutch spawn and had to reload several turns prior due to failures for various reasons:
First time off, I attacked the Dutch stack at spawn - they have very few troops, easy to kill. In 1586, I'd bought my vassal Germany's loyalty to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Hungary converted to Protestantism during this turn as well. As soon as I hit space bar, Hungary converted back, but the Dutch resistance continued and a few of my Knights of St. John's appeared outside Nevers - I destroyed them again, and at this point in 1588, there were now no Protestant nations. I hit the space bar again, and Poland became Protestant, and my UHV indicator greyed out at 2/3. Either the Dutch respawn at the beginning of the turn or the Polish conversion at the end cocked the UHV up, even though I had ensured no Protestant nations by the end of my go.
All along, I had been building troops for an amphibious invasion of England. In 1588, Protestantism had not reached them - it had reached the Norse, though, but my ships were one turn out of range to win in time, though. Another restart with ships in position to reach either England or Danmark in time, and neither convert to Protestantism. :angry:
The final time, I let the Dutch settle Amsterdam, and agreed to the flip. My vassal Burgundy, however, dragged me into war over the flip of Nevers (which is fine, as the Dutch must fall). I plowed through their 3 cities and won the UHV a turn or two early (should the UHV goal be changed to conquer BY 1588 rather than conquer IN 1588 - conquer "in" 1588 implies you must capture 3 cities on that turn).
Too much chance is involved that Protestantism will reach a nation you must attack in time, and while the Dutch can always be counted on to fall easily, you also have to rely on the chance they'll have 3 cities for you to take from them (luckily my vassal settled Nevers a few turns prior to their spawn - had British Caen's culture been stronger, this wouldn't have happened).
A true "Spanish Armada" UHV seems like it would take the vanilla RFC UHV goals from the Vikings (sink X number of ships, kills by Privateers & victories over barbs don't count) or Chinese (build X number of ships). I've learned with my Privateer stacks that the AI enjoys shipbuilding, so engaging in naval warfare with England, Norse or Ottomans is certainly achievable.
First time off, I attacked the Dutch stack at spawn - they have very few troops, easy to kill. In 1586, I'd bought my vassal Germany's loyalty to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Hungary converted to Protestantism during this turn as well. As soon as I hit space bar, Hungary converted back, but the Dutch resistance continued and a few of my Knights of St. John's appeared outside Nevers - I destroyed them again, and at this point in 1588, there were now no Protestant nations. I hit the space bar again, and Poland became Protestant, and my UHV indicator greyed out at 2/3. Either the Dutch respawn at the beginning of the turn or the Polish conversion at the end cocked the UHV up, even though I had ensured no Protestant nations by the end of my go.
All along, I had been building troops for an amphibious invasion of England. In 1588, Protestantism had not reached them - it had reached the Norse, though, but my ships were one turn out of range to win in time, though. Another restart with ships in position to reach either England or Danmark in time, and neither convert to Protestantism. :angry:
The final time, I let the Dutch settle Amsterdam, and agreed to the flip. My vassal Burgundy, however, dragged me into war over the flip of Nevers (which is fine, as the Dutch must fall). I plowed through their 3 cities and won the UHV a turn or two early (should the UHV goal be changed to conquer BY 1588 rather than conquer IN 1588 - conquer "in" 1588 implies you must capture 3 cities on that turn).
Too much chance is involved that Protestantism will reach a nation you must attack in time, and while the Dutch can always be counted on to fall easily, you also have to rely on the chance they'll have 3 cities for you to take from them (luckily my vassal settled Nevers a few turns prior to their spawn - had British Caen's culture been stronger, this wouldn't have happened).
A true "Spanish Armada" UHV seems like it would take the vanilla RFC UHV goals from the Vikings (sink X number of ships, kills by Privateers & victories over barbs don't count) or Chinese (build X number of ships). I've learned with my Privateer stacks that the AI enjoys shipbuilding, so engaging in naval warfare with England, Norse or Ottomans is certainly achievable.
3Miro
Deity
You could have discovered the Printing Press yourself. If you discover that after 1492AD it will not interfere with the first UHV. Don't convert to Protestantism, just wait for others to do so and the attack them. Odds are good that one of England, France, Burgundy or Germany will convert and that should give you plenty of cities to conquer.
3Miro
Deity
You don't have to raze the cities. You can conquer and keep or conquer and raze, both count.
AbsintheRed
Deity
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Michael Vick
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What about for the Spanish UHV just having to conquer a # of protestant cities? Or by 1588, the Catholicism percentage needs to be twice as high as Islam and Protestantism. I don't know, is that figure utterly ridiculous? It would keep a player busy killing Protestants and the Ottomans as the Spanish were known to do at the time. Of course the description of the UHV that the player sees would sound better.
I think that's more fun and involves more missionary and inquisition work as well fighting. After all of your empire building up to 1588, the game should be decided by something other than how diligently you policed the world for random heretic conversions in the last few turns.
Maybe the figure should be ridiculous. This is the ahistorical UHV after all?
Conquer 25 Protestant cities? Spread Catholicism to 60%? I have no idea what a good number would be.
I think that's more fun and involves more missionary and inquisition work as well fighting. After all of your empire building up to 1588, the game should be decided by something other than how diligently you policed the world for random heretic conversions in the last few turns.
Maybe the figure should be ridiculous. This is the ahistorical UHV after all?
Conquer 25 Protestant cities? Spread Catholicism to 60%? I have no idea what a good number would be.
AbsintheRed
Deity
You are right, the python and text wasn't in sync. Fixed it, thanks!
But this way the UHV seems rather easy, maybe we should add another province to it. Sicily for example?
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