Better (Bug) AI Large 12 Deity

[Grashopa]

I think I'm being a bit of a builder ( though I really had only 1 good city at the start and maybe 3 or 4 now). If I had sent out the workboat like someone mentioned at the start, I'd have found the backwards Mongols, built the HE in cap and finished off them and maybe SB by now... But once sushi is in I'm sure a little warring will go down.. I've only done 1 space victory ( the rest being domination/conquest ) so I'm not sure what the timing would be and I've never had to nuke anyone to prevent them from winning either so that'll be new if necessary.

For some reason I can't post saves from here, so once I get sushi going I'll post a save hopefully someone can comment on my position vis a vis a space victory.

 

[Grashopa]

Can someone explain why there's no foreign trade routes income in the info screen at 55 AD? Am I missing something?

The screen was taken in the BCs I believe - just wanted to show the favorite civics really... But I've never even noticed the numbers there before so I don't know.

 

[Fleme]

As far as late production is concerned, my bet would be on Sushi + Caste + Workshopping everything. Mining Inc on a glance looks like it won't bring home the hammers since metals are scarce while there's tons and tons of fish in the sea. Not to mention the fact that engineers are way harder to come by than merchants.

Anyhow, looks like corporations are your only way to any kind of decent production or am I missing a huge production city somewhere?

What victory are you considering? Sushi will obviously kick your nation into overdrive as far as beakers and potential are concerned but how are you going to harness that potential into hammers when half your cities are placed in locations that can't even be workshopped?

 

[NihilZero]

Grashopa's games never fail to entertain and educate.

 

[oppy]

With all the food bonus he's getting off of Sushi couldn't he run as many specialists as he wants to get the hammer? So whip forges/factories/ industrial parks to mass engineers?

 

[Fleme]

That's obviously a way. Requires pretty late slavery for those buildings to actually be built and I'm not sure how well it'd work.

At any rate, I'm sure he will have the right solution.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

Very interesting.
I remember saying Diety is impossible but I guess if there are ways, Portugal's UU plus a map with islands would be one of them. (Starting on your own landmass with an organised leader might be the other)

 

[Grashopa]

Every city is about half water tiles.., but workshops should give me 6 or 7 good hammer cities. I didn't show it, but in the south in tundra and ice are 5 or 6 metals.. I think I'll end up owning 6 or 7 metals + a gold in trade + silver popped in my capital and coal counts as well though I can't imagine finding any really. Also I have a GE sitting in cap I've been holding - he was second GP I popped and I didn't manage to get to rush any wonder since then.

I've got 25+ happy in a bunch of cities now so trade routes/feitoria will be quite huge once sushi is in.. And no I have no clue how things will go. I don't play much late game and have never had a position like this.

 

[Fleme]

On top of that the AI will trade metals you already have for cheaper than they usually would so you can accumulate some hammers that way too.

Corporations open up a lot of possibilities but also incur a lot of micro with the way your empire is set up. Looking forward to seeing how it all unfolds.

 

[phungus420]

Very interesting.
I remember saying Diety is impossible but I guess if there are ways, Portugal's UU plus a map with islands would be one of them. (Starting on your own landmass with an organised leader might be the other)

In my experience the AI killing you is the hardest part of BBAI, I've never succesfully made it out of the middle ages on Immortal. I honestly think what saved Grashopa was his use of diplomacy and being boxed in by Zara. In BBAI the AI is highly unlikely to attack through another civ at you, pre Astronomy, since it's DoW code is more based on what it can gain more then anything else, and he was just too far away from most other civs for them to consider him a valuable target (the'll still do it of course if they hate you, but it's far more likely they'll attack a cautious nearby rival, then try to mount an across continent invasion just because they hate you and you're weak). Zara was busy and friendly/pleased toward him most of the game which allowed him to survive by avoiding any early rushes. Of course Grashopa seems to be on another level in terms of strategy, I'd never think to manipulate my score in order to obtain more tech trades... so there is always that as well.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

Yes, the diplomacy and tech trading .. so masterful. Made survival until so late in the game look so easy, and makes me want to hide in shame when I think about me own skills in that field >_<

 

[lymond]

glurp

 

[Grashopa]

Haha I didn't how to check for PMs and I have a bunch

I'll read up a bit and let ya know tomorrow.

 

[lymond]

Haha I didn't how to check for PMs and I have a bunch

I'll read up a bit and let ya know tomorrow.

Cool, I'll follow up in a PM and delete my post here.

 

[jaycuhbbb]

Very impressive You are on a whole other level... Researching Astronomy without bulbs in the BCs, having the highest city count on deity that early....

 

[Grashopa]

I'm wondering why no one has taken out the Mongols yet this game. Their land sucks with just some islands, but surely someone has to be going for domination with the BBAI strategies now. Maybe we'll see more action after rifles. Hopefully not in my direction since I need time to get setup.

 

[StuntedAzrael]

Seeing this game, I'm really sorry that Civ has no replaying ability. It would be great learning tool and would uncover tons of small things that make such a successful game.

 

[Grashopa]

From here it looks to me this game will end with me sushi whipping a lot of nukes. My bpt advantage goes away as soon as I run out of extra gold - past 1000 ad I can't keep a 100% slider off AI trade gold or GMs anymore. Sushi-Caste would give me ridiculous beakers, but I'm not sure theres a military tech advantage to be had long enough to cap everyone outside of nukes. I refused all demands and sided with my crappy neighbor so diplo is too horrendous for me to bother trying to figure out who i need to cap for a UN win. And I don't know you can win space without any hammers.

I'll play this out and see once I have more free time again.

 

[Alvin Tostig]

Can't wait to see the update!

 

[goodolarchie]

Sooo... any news from the hopa?