bombed back to the stone age

[betazed]

Originally posted by jeremiahrounds

I just tried it on emp. One prob i ran into was i was alone and i had to deal with barbs. so i had to make units to deal with barbs.

Of course to try this variant in its true spirit you have to turn barbs off.

Which leads to the question:
I always miss GL. The AI always makes it before me. What can i do?

You can almost never build the TGL if you start building it after you discovered Lit. The only ways are to leader rush or pre build with a palace in a high shield city.

 

[sealman]

Originally posted by aeldrik
all right, I give it up, I really don't know why so many people are againt the idea, since all I'm reading is :"we all beat the AI a lot earlier" and "this never happens to me"..
thx willbill for the only real arguments

aeldrik:

I am with you and that Bombers should come with advanced flight.

I also did not read all the posts in this thread but the ones I did seem to be missing Aeldrik's point. He is not complaining that he is behind in techs or that the AI is "bombing him back to the stone age." I am sure he would be doing the same if the tables were turned. What he is saying is that in the case of bombers, one civ - in this case the AI, has a weapon that has no defense, just because he reached flight first. When flight is reached, civs should be able to build fighters, which do have some bombardment factor. Once advanced flight is reached, then bombers become available. If this was the case, than once the AI reached advanced flight and started bombarding Aeldrik Land, he would at least have some protections, providing he has reached flight.

In regards to the progression of military aircraft.

Recon Aircraft came first, mostly in the form of anchored ballons.

Someone finnaly had the idea to try to eliminate the ballons by shooting at them. First with hand guns and then they added machine guns after they figured out how to avoid shooting their propellers off.

Soon, someone had the idea of dropping grenades from the fighters onto the ground troops below and the "bomber" was born.

 

[MaximusParthas]

Personaly I don't see the problem, but none the less there is a fix provided. It can be described in 2 words. "CIV EDIT".
You want bombers with advanced flight? Make it so. Simple.

 

[jeremiahrounds]

also?
cant you open the editor and change bombers to advanced flight? I mean thats all they would do if they made this change right? They basically left it up to you!
editops someone else pointed it out already.


But i still take issue with the "no defence" theres "no defence" against missles too a little later but a strong offensive or as someone else pointed out a little AI love fest. You simply cant exist in the game hiding behind walls hoping the AI goes away.

 

[Ace4nyC]

Screw bombers screw fighters send nukes to his capital and his largest cities Reak havoc of nukes on the his resources just hold them off long enough to get nukes


Nuke em all i say ! and take out the world as u lunch ur space ship so huminaty can endor !

 

[Atotarho]

What I was trying to point out is that there is a defense for bombers. Its called attack. If you just want to sit there and take a pounding because you are playing a peacefull builder game then thats up to you, but it wont stop the AI attacking you.

If you see this game as just a diplomatic mind your own business building strategy then you are missing the point about empire building and history, sometimes you just have to go on the offensive or be crushed.

If you want historical accuracy then your peacefull builder strategy just doesnt fit. I personally cant name one world power, ever, that wasnt created or sustained through the use of military force.