Mitchum
Deity
In my game, de Gaulle had vassalized Gilgamesh, Shaka and Catherine.
BOTM 28 Final Spoiler
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Pideocle
Chieftain
Diplomatic victory in 1770 ... I freed the islands north and south of my continent a few turns after having built UN and having been elected secretary : Saladin appeared north and Bismarck south. Both voted for me at the next UN diplomatic victory vote. No need to care about the AI of the other continent.
Not a monopoly tech anymore! That might very well have been the case, thank you.
I checked and didn't feel satisfied, If banking is not a monopoly, why is it the other tech?
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The second screenshot reflects a turn I hadn't met Cathy yet!
What's going on between Cathy and me? I don't understand her!
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Ah, that confirms it - she is still at "real Pleased" and her monopoly whine just broke on Banking on that turn. You see, monopoly whine is not an "on/off" for all techs at a time. TONS of things affect whether a Civ wants to monopoly-hoard a specific tech - the military units it enables (and whether the Civ is at war or not - if yes then units are weighed even more), the (non-religious) buildings it enables, even stuff like if circumnavigation is gone or not (if not, they hoard SEA_EXPLORATION unit-enabling techs more, like Optics). The percentage value of the base monopoly whine threshold (20% - quite lenient - for Cathy) is just a baseline, all this stuff gives a factor multiplier for that. Since MT enables two strong units and a nat wonder, and Banking just one building, it's not surprising she's hoarding MT but not Banking even though both are known by the same # of rival Civs.
Incidentally, this is the reason that non-Mansas (whose base monopoly threshold is 0%) trade anything below Friendly in semi-isolation - the factor calculated above can be zero (leading to the monopoly threshold being "0% of known rivals must know this"); usually if a tech does not enable any military units, non-religious buildings or wonder/projects not already built (stuff like Alpha, Monarchy).
If she had gone to "real Friendly" status with you then all the monopoly techs would have disappeared.
Grifftavian
Emperor
Adventurer Save
Religious loss to Aztec 1943 AD
Base Score 6058 Final Score 10296.9
I lost this game by voting for Monty but I didn't think a Religious Victory was still possible, since I had built the UN in 1880 AD 
I should have read the ballot a little closer before casting my vote 
I had a sizable lead, 3346 score over France; my Persian Empire had 23 cities versus a combined 24 cities for the six AI Civs. I had been over the population limit for some time, and had 50.99% of land area.
Monty & Gilgamesh would vote for me to be Secretary General (but I had enough votes to vote myself in as SG), but I was having a hard time to get them to vote for me in diplomatic victory election.
I had a nice lead in the space race as well, with Life Support & 2 Thrusters under construction, the capability to build Docking Bay & Casings, and none of the AI Civs having started any spaceship parts. But Space Colony victory would have been close, as Monty was 67 turns away from having his 3rd city go Legendary (and he only had 3 cities
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Oh well, I learned a lesson the hard way
but enjoyed the game none the less Thanks for an interesting game, Niklas 
Religious loss to Aztec 1943 AD
Base Score 6058 Final Score 10296.9
I lost this game by voting for Monty but I didn't think a Religious Victory was still possible, since I had built the UN in 1880 AD I should have read the ballot a little closer before casting my vote I had a sizable lead, 3346 score over France; my Persian Empire had 23 cities versus a combined 24 cities for the six AI Civs. I had been over the population limit for some time, and had 50.99% of land area.
Monty & Gilgamesh would vote for me to be Secretary General (but I had enough votes to vote myself in as SG), but I was having a hard time to get them to vote for me in diplomatic victory election.
I had a nice lead in the space race as well, with Life Support & 2 Thrusters under construction, the capability to build Docking Bay & Casings, and none of the AI Civs having started any spaceship parts. But Space Colony victory would have been close, as Monty was 67 turns away from having his 3rd city go Legendary (and he only had 3 cities
)Oh well, I learned a lesson the hard way
but enjoyed the game none the less Thanks for an interesting game, Niklas wwassme
Warlord
Diplo victory 1810 A.D.
I took the approach of taking a couple of Monty's cities, building the UN in one (using a GE for most of the hammers) and then gifting it back to him. I won with my votes and votes from Shaka and Pericles (my Buddhist buddies). Cathy and DeGaulle were Buddhist too, but they decided to abstain. Gilgamesh was a non-factor as Shaka was in the process of making him an angel.
AP victory for the AI was never a concern. Monty built the AP, but he was Christian and I was the only other player he managed to spread it too. I simply spread enough Christianity to my cities to vote myself the AP Resident. I suppose I could have played for a religious victory, but decided to go for diplo instead.
Sury died early, probably in a dogpile as his territory appeared evenly divided. None of the AI became dominant.
Oddly, Monty had built a good chunk of the Wonders. I don't know where he found the hammers since he was under attack by the other AI for a good part of the game. I had to bribe other AI's several times to break off the attack and gifted him numerous units (mostly obsolete) to prevent Cathy from overrunning him.
It was strange to end a Deity game with several of my cities defended by immortals. Other than Cathy declaring war once towards the end after I had vassalized Monty and she wanted to attack him again (there were no battles on my soil other than my privateers darting out of cities to kill galleons), I was never at war except for my war of aggression against Monty.
I took the approach of taking a couple of Monty's cities, building the UN in one (using a GE for most of the hammers) and then gifting it back to him. I won with my votes and votes from Shaka and Pericles (my Buddhist buddies). Cathy and DeGaulle were Buddhist too, but they decided to abstain. Gilgamesh was a non-factor as Shaka was in the process of making him an angel.
AP victory for the AI was never a concern. Monty built the AP, but he was Christian and I was the only other player he managed to spread it too. I simply spread enough Christianity to my cities to vote myself the AP Resident. I suppose I could have played for a religious victory, but decided to go for diplo instead.
Sury died early, probably in a dogpile as his territory appeared evenly divided. None of the AI became dominant.
Oddly, Monty had built a good chunk of the Wonders. I don't know where he found the hammers since he was under attack by the other AI for a good part of the game. I had to bribe other AI's several times to break off the attack and gifted him numerous units (mostly obsolete) to prevent Cathy from overrunning him.
It was strange to end a Deity game with several of my cities defended by immortals. Other than Cathy declaring war once towards the end after I had vassalized Monty and she wanted to attack him again (there were no battles on my soil other than my privateers darting out of cities to kill galleons), I was never at war except for my war of aggression against Monty.
azzaman333
meh
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AP is only obsoleted if the civ that owns it has Mass Media.
Grifftavian
Emperor
Hmmm... that explains it. Makes sense now that I think about it, but still
at myself for not abstaining on that vote 
Thanks for the explanation, Az!
azzaman333
meh
Hmmm... that explains it. Makes sense now that I think about it, but still
Knowing this sort of stuff is what I'm good at, whereas actually putting my knowledge of the game mechanics into practice is not.
Sorry to be impatient, but I am dying to know if I came 30th or 40th 
And I'd like to know if I got both high and low Conquest victory scores.Sorry to be impatient, but I am dying to know if I came 30th or 40th
OTOH, I'm still hoping to post my post game final spoiler before results come out.
And I'd like to know if I got both high and low Conquest victory scores.
OTOH, I'm still hoping to post my post game final spoiler before results come out.
I didn't notice any on my first quick read of this thread. Looked thru it again, and compiled these stats:^ kind of impossible, there are more than 1 player gunning for conquest victory.
Domination: 14
Space: 11
Diplomacy: 6
Religion: 2
Culture: 1
Time: 1
Conquest: 1 (Silu) Plus at least me and maybe several others. Probably Duckweed.
Above numbers are likely all erroneous.
Maybe I will get the low score Conquest Victory
I don't have my notes (so this will be shorter than it might be).
Excitement:
- early game before realize alone,
- preparing invasion to reach Monte before he wins a culture victory,
- fnishing the game before the deadline
Didn't build any early wonders.
Didn't discover any religions.
Got Circumnavigation bonus after DeGaulle found me and we traded maps.
Settled 2 cities on N island and released them (to Saladin). He didn't take off as fast as expected and I only learned 2 or 3 techs from him. Built a city in NW corner of N island (4 food).
Settled and kept SW Island.
Monte was the King of the other continent. 8? cities. Zulus and Kmer non existent. Russia and Greece two city vassals to Aztecs. Sumeria had two cities, lost one and I bought peace for him, so he kept one. France was almost viable with 4 or 5 cities.
Yamps
Deity
^ Maybe I'll get the lowest score...
It was 1804 AD, some 100k iirc. Notes: nuked them all and conquered in 2 turns, SGOTM 10 style.
In my game Monty also conquered almost everybody, only his pal Shaka with 2 cities and Gilga with some 3 or 4 remained. Monty would have conquered Gilga as well, but I gifted some nukes to friendly Gilga just for fun. In my game Monty also decided to go for culture and shut down all research, despite being in constant war. 
And I also got Saladin, after releasing 2 cities on the last turn to stay under the domination limit.
It was 1804 AD, some 100k iirc. Notes: nuked them all and conquered in 2 turns, SGOTM 10 style.
In my game Monty also conquered almost everybody, only his pal Shaka with 2 cities and Gilga with some 3 or 4 remained. Monty would have conquered Gilga as well, but I gifted some nukes to friendly Gilga just for fun.
In my game Monty also decided to go for culture and shut down all research, despite being in constant war. And I also got Saladin, after releasing 2 cities on the last turn to stay under the domination limit.Similar threads
