BOTM 77 First Spoiler - 1AD

[Deckhand]

BOTM 77 First Spoiler - 1AD

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• You have reached at least 1AD in your game, OR
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Please do not discuss anything that happened after 1AD.
Please do not discuss modern era resource locations (Copper and Iron are OK).
Please do not reveal names or locations of any civilization not accessible by galleys.
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How has your game gone so far?
How many cities?
Have you been peaceful?
What are your plans?
Have you built any B.E.s?

 

[TheSunIsDark]

Okay, this start is just cruel. Completely boxed in by Lincoln, and my aggression attempts are failing. I really feel sorry for those who settled in place, that two-tile rule stops them settling on the island to the south. Might give up, might try to salvage a win. I have passed 1AD.

 

[High King J.J.]

My game has not yet stalled completely.
Only 5 cities, with 1 ready to be founded next turn right in front of Darius's approaching settler.
I've been peaceful so far. Concentrated on other things.
Maybe in the future America will fall. Probably distant future.
B.E.'s? Are you serious? I (and everyone else) is very far from the necessary techs.

@TheSunIsDark Actually I believe the 2-tile rule only applies to cities on the same landmass.
Does your name refer to Cyric? (Or Shar maybe?) Or does it just remind us how subjective brightness can be?

 

[Solyaris]

Since noble = AI starting with warriors pluss America beeing close, I took the chance of an early warrior rush. Works 90% of the time, but in those last 10% you're "f*cked" (it's noble, so you can always get back into the game no mather how bad you screw up, but it won't be a medal score). It worked and I even got an extra worker! Finding the Persian empire just a few tiles north-west I once again took a chance when I attacked with 6 warriors against a possible archer! This was around 2500 BC, so it was quite a risk, since they often have an archer by now. Luckily he had only 2 warriors, so it was quite easy to take his capitol.

~2400 BC, 3 cities (all excellent capitol spots), 2 workers, 2 warriors and 2 workboats, not bad!

Did a bit of expanding, exploring and improve my current cities, but when I saw the Sumarian empire with two very good cities poorly defended (1 archer, 1 warrior in both) I figured another war might be prosperous. Attacked him with whipped/chopped chariots fomr Washington and took both cities without much problems. After that I was mostly expanding to the surrounding landscape, oracle currency and build a few other wonders (ToA, the great lighthouse and later MoM).

@1AD I have 20 cities, 106 pop, 27 workers, 154 BPT (+12), 1 GM, techs are metal casting, monarchy, calendar, CoL and civil service (just finished).

Probably going for space, since I guess I should be able to finish with a pretty good date!

 

[haphazard1]

Did not like the look of the start much, so I decided to try moving the settler. It is only Noble after all. But as feared nothing at all useful turned up (of course), and Lincoln is right there. Resigned T7.

 

[duckstab]

I really feel sorry for those who settled in place, that two-tile rule stops them settling on the island to the south.

You actually can settle within 2 tiles if the cities are on different land masses. I settled in place and dropped my 2nd city 2SW of it.

But other than that, you're right. It's been a slog so far because of the lack of both production and commerce, and the close proximity of Lincoln, who has been both settling most of the good spots to the north and also picking off barb cities. 1AD and I have only 3 cities but the next 3 are plotted and will be settled soon. The only really bright spot is that I will probably have Australia to myself, and it's got horses and metal both. That will be my base of operations and I may just try to be the first to the new world.

Justinian has been at war with Pericles for a long time. I allowed him to pull me in but I'm just waging a sitzkrieg until Pericles is talking again. Despite my awful commerce I'm pretty much on a par with everyone else technologically. Am not ready to throw in the towel yet. Though it's anyone's guess what my VC will be.

Other odd thing I noticed is that religion is not spreading very fast in this game. Only 3 of the AIs have state religions, and nothing's spread to me yet.

 

[PattonTwo]

Just learned something new thanks to duckstab...didn't know you could settle 2 tiles away on different land masses! I guess that was the only way to hook up the marble? Bummed me out when I got a worker over there and built the quarry to find out I still didn't have access to it.

I SIP and it felt like I had a good start but I'm moving surprisingly slow this game even for my normal slowness. 1 AD I have only 3 cities all of which I built and am finally about to start my invasion of America. I have 4 BEs with a few more on the way plus 7 cats so should be taking cities soon.

I'm 21 turns away from TGL (curse the marble) and since I've already played well past 1AD I can't whip up a settler real quick to bring the marble online. I even tried building a harbor thinking that might be the trick but clearly no.

It's been a while since I've been 2nd to last on the powergraph but feel like I'm winning the game. Maybe it's my huge tech lead (I have 4-6 techs on everyone) or the coming war.

Anyway this will be a win but as usual I won't content for any medals. Sounds like Solyaris will bring one in, great job with the warrior rush!

 

[WelshGandalf]

Just learned something new thanks to duckstab...didn't know you could settle 2 tiles away on different land masses! I guess that was the only way to hook up the marble? Bummed me out when I got a worker over there and built the quarry to find out I still didn't have access to it.

There are two other ways though both require construction.
1) Build a fortress on the marble (instead of a quarry).
2) Build a road from the quarried-marble along the island to a fortress you build somewhere else on the island.

Basically the fortress acts as a city for the purpose of hooking up resources.

Solyaris definitely has the right idea here. I just saw the elephants and thought "oooh elephants" which wasn't the greatest idea. Basically I oracled CS (950BC I think) - not the greatest beauro capital ever but at least it helps with the whipping. I settled 1 other city and attacked the Americans 500BC with a couple of cats, a couple of elephants and a few other troops. Both the elephants lost 80% fights, grrr!! So I had to wait for some more to come along. As of 25AD I have just taken the second American city, taking me to the grand total of 4. Woohoo! I do have a massive tech lead though. I'm almost at paper, I think one of them has code of laws but that's as close as anyone is to me.

Oh also I didn't get IW for ages, when I did I found I had build a cottage on it which had become a village. Doh! So it was sad to have to lose that.

It's news to me that there's an Australia - I haven't built any galleys yet.

 

[MegaLurker]

Twice so far I've had my laptop shut down while playing, forcing me to load from the previous autosave. I take it this means my game can't be submitted?

 

[Deckhand]

Twice so far I've had my laptop shut down while playing, forcing me to load from the previous autosave. I take it this means my game can't be submitted?

You can still submit.
The process is: make sure your autosave interval is set to 1, replay from latest autosave - repeating your moves as best as you can, and send a PM to the game creator and/or AlanH letting us know what happened.
Do you know which turns you restarted?
Have Fun, deckhand

 

[zbgayumn]

Well, I'm a long way past 1 A.D. at this point, but IIRC I started my Elepult war against America around 300 BC. I think I managed to settle 3 other cities on the mainland, but the capital turned out to be quite a nice a production city after all the bad-mouthing it got in the pre-game thread. I kept New York, but burned Boston planning to build new on a better tile nearby. Washington should obviously be worth keeping. Their city farthest to the NW is Philly. I'm not totally decided, but I think the Persian and Babylonian cultural pressure would make that city useless, so it will probably burn as well.

Then it's all about settling Australia. I swear every time it's an Old World start, I become obsessed with the New World. So far, those tendencies are holding true, as I'm already thinking about how I'm going to get to Astro.

 

[whb]

I'm not going to win any prizes, and I'm always too slow to go on the offensive, but so far it's been a fun game.

I settled in place, and soon found how close a few of the others are. When BW showed nothing, I was slightly worried that the mapmaker might have stacked Lincoln with all the resources plus gold to push the difficulty up. But thankful for the elephants.

I settled city number 2 next to the cows, up near America's border, figuring that I needed to grab a chunk of space, as much production as I could i the short term, and then to push for construction.

I didn't know any of the tricks about fortresses to get the marble, but my capital has become somewhat wondrous anyway. (Built on the bloodied remains of much whipping) I chickened out on trying to get CS from the Oracle, and took Metal Casting instead. So that's meant Great Lighthouse, Oracle, Colossus have been the first wonders I've gone for first. A little island city plonked on the bronze to the south will help for the Colossus (and will otherwise slowly whip itself some infrastructure, pouring the overflow into Moai so it becomes useful).

Not sure what victory to head for. I imagine others will conquer the world very quickly. Space might be more competitive, or maybe domination. Culture might just be a possibility, though I suspect I'd have needed to optimise for that much earlier.

 

[c00per]

This one happened to be a really weird game.

Spoiler :

First, for some reason (Earth map type maybe?) I thought that there will be 7 separate continents and that each AI will start on different one. It turned out to be a little bit different than I imagined

Second, for some reason it feels a little bit hard for Noble. Might be because I suck at Civ on any difficulty

Third, when Zara settled America, a 7th 8th AI popped up and became Zara's vassal. WTH?

Edit: I'm way past 1 AD. I hope I didn't reveal any game changing information. If I did, then I apologize. Just delete this post or something..

 

[Jastrow]

@ cooper,

I assume that belongs in the final spoiler.... I will answer in that thread...

 

[Sleepless]

Ooops deleted as comment should have been in final spoiler page..

 

[nealw]

hello all, extremely late to the party, I SIP... did fishing, bw and then settled northw and north east and then got sailing masonry and then pottery afterwards... I wanted to settle one of the islands for the "overseas trade" bonus and of course to move my workers to the bottom strip.. after settling on an island after a border pop i notice i have a free continent, australia like land to myself? im going to get in on it... I built the great lighthouse and I DoW on America heh after stealing a worker very early on around the time I got BW so it kept American civ very weak and I peaced him in order to reposition my troops

its 75 AD in my save game about to get currency but yeah I plan to wipe out lincoln and then proceed to colonize australia as well as push westward on the banana cuz this game is bananas heh

 

[Mitchum]

Since SGOTM is over, I thought I would give this a try.

My tech path was Fishing -> BW -> Sailing -> Wheel -> Mysticism (for the 20% bonus on Masonry) -> Masonry -> Pottery

My capital build order went partial warrior -> work boat -> finish warrior -> work boat -> 1 turn into a worker that I never finished -> warrior #2 (for protection) -> galley -> settler.

I found Lincoln rather close. We had no copper and I didn't think to warrior rush (bravo, Solyaris; high risk = high reward) so I tried set up a worker steal. I saw a worker on the corn and my warrior was in place but Lincoln had an exploring warrior near my capital. So I stopped building my own worker after 10H (never finished him) and started a safety warrior. I then stole worker #1 on T23. I stole 3 more workers from Lincoln on T44, T61 and T67 for a total of four. Not having to build workers allowed me to expand.

City #1 was SIP on T0.

City #2 was settled on T40 on the marble (this hooks it up as soon as you learn Masonry). Off-continent cities give +2 internal trade routes immediately which is a big boost to the economy.

City #3 was settled on T54 on the island SE of the starting area with fish.

The GLH was build on T70 (1200 BC) which allowed every coastal city to immediately pay for itself with +6 in trade routes.

City #4 was settled on T72 on an island with to the W-NW with 2 clam resources.

The Oracle was built on T77 (950 BC) for Civil Service.

City #5 was settled on T81 to the north with cows.

City #6 was settled on T83 on a sugar resource with 2 more sugars and ivory.

City #7 was settled on T84 with a shared sugar resource.

City #8 was settled on T86 to the NE with one clam and one shared clam.

After this, I build some Ballista Elephants and finally got around to killing Lincoln (he only had one city since he kept donating his workers to me ). I also took a city from Charlemagne (that was "mine" but he took it from the barbs before I could get it) and one from Darius.

At 1 AD, I have 11 cites (+1 settler), 54 pops, 182 at 70% slider (+10 gpt) and 8 BEs waiting to do some more damage. The settler on a galley almost to Australia. I haven't seen any barbs down there yet so it's possible that the island is too small to spawn any (I have an archer with me just in case).

I failed to notice that random events were on. I had one where a horde of barb HAs spawned at my borders which was a bit dicey for a while and another where I lost a granary to a hurricane. Early on I had a good event that gave me +10F to the 2 or 3 cities I had at the time.

BTW, I also had an almost village on the iron resource.