BOTM 81 - Final Spoiler

[neilmeister]

BOTM 81 Final Spoiler

This is the thread to discuss how your entire game went.

Did you win?
Did Hatty vanquish all of those -mostly- peaceful beatnik hippy AI?

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[PattonTwo]

Best game for me ever...I stumbled into a diplomatic victory in 1410. I say stumbled because I was maybe 5-10 turns from a domination/conquest win.

In the first spoiler I was able to (first time ever) have a successful war in the BCs and actually had 4 wars (UK dead, Germany capitulated) prior to 1 AD which was shockingly good for me.

Now I'm poised to knock USA out into capitulation and needed maybe 5-10 turns to take New York and Washington and hopefully that would be enough. Victory before 1000 AD was within my grasp!

Unfortunately it was not to be. USA whipped out longbows with a vengance and my cats were slow to arrive on the scene. As a result New York and Washington fell but not until 600 AD and USA refused to capitulate at that point.

They actually recaptured New York and while I was able to hold Washington I was forced to offer peace when everything clearly ground to a halt by 800. About that time I researched Guilds and went to build Knights. Nasty surprise, the Dutch had just dropped a city 1 square from my iron and now the iron belonged to them! In fact they started building some iron based units.

I quickly turned my attention back toward the Dutch with India to follow. Thankfully I moved fast enough and the Dutch capitulated about 1000 AD.

India had vassaled the Aztecs so I launched a 3 vs 2 war in 1060 AD. The war went well and both India and the Aztecs Capitulated around 1350 AD leaving only USA. I immediately declared war on USA and started shifting all units to the west.

The apolostolic vote came up and I won (since everyone but USA was a vassal) giving me a diplomatic victory (first ever!) in 1410 AD.

About 180k score, by far my best game ever.

Thanks for the game!

 

[c00per]

me: I want fast and painless victory on immortal BTS, but I suck at CIV.

neilmeister: worry not, my little Civer, I have a deal for you:

1. Download my BOTM 81 map filled with Cream Puffs.
2. Build AP and some missionaries.
3. Spread the love.
4. ????
5. Profit

 

[nocho]

I tried the espionage culture thing and at least it worked out all right, getting it in 1370 AD. I was hopeful it could have come sooner, when I managed to lib constitution in 375 AD. In retrospect I should have settled more cities, if only for producing more wealth and spies. Now both were competing as I needed the wealth to maintain the spy slider high enough and the spies for obvious reasons. Had the feeling many more spies were caught than the odds seemed to indicate. Fun game in any case.

 

[ShiVvV]

The 'Cow Award' for this game seems particularly apropos .

 

[zamint3]

At 1AD I had to make a cease fire with America and wait for my cats army to deal with his LBs.
375AD I finally took Washington and the Pyramids.
520AD America is dead and I have 3 more cities, same year I go to war with the Aztecs which is destroyed 740AD.

After that focus is totally on research.
I spread Mining Inc and Cereal Mills to 32 cities and run 6 golden ages, that's 72 turns. (I still got 4 turns left. )

After launching I built units and captured India improving the score by approx 70 K points.

 

[WastinTime]

I tried the espionage culture thing and at least it worked out all right, getting it in 1370 AD. I was hopeful it could have come sooner, when I managed to lib constitution in 375 AD. In retrospect I should have settled more cities, if only for producing more wealth and spies. Now both were competing as I needed the wealth to maintain the spy slider high enough and the spies for obvious reasons. Had the feeling many more spies were caught than the odds seemed to indicate. Fun game in any case.

I like the constitution strategy too. This time I tried to go without it. I just researched CoL and currency. No Aes/Lit/Music. No Nationalism. I thought I might build the S.Paya for Pacifism, but that didn't work. I ended up bulbing Philo to get the 100% birth rate.

Scary moment in the end. I realized that the city I was pumping culture into was only size 1 and would get razed if I re-captured it!
I quickly whipped a Palace in another city, so I could gift away my previous capital city. That gave some food tiles to the legendary city so it could grow to 2.

challenger save, espionage victory.

 

[nocho]

I like the constitution strategy too. This time I tried to go without it. I just researched CoL and currency. No Aes/Lit/Music. No Nationalism. I thought I might build the S.Paya for Pacifism, but that didn't work. I ended up bulbing Philo to get the 100% birth rate.

Scary moment in the end. I realized that the city I was pumping culture into was only size 1 and would get razed if I re-captured it!
I quickly whipped a Palace in another city, so I could gift away my previous capital city. That gave some food tiles to the legendary city so it could grow to 2.

challenger save, espionage victory.

And by how many centuries did you beat me?

 

[WastinTime]

And by how many centuries did you beat me?

exactly 3. sorry

 

[nocho]

exactly 3. sorry

Don't worry. To how many cities did you expand? How many cities did you gobble up with war chariots? Curious to know what you consider a critical mass for this.

 

[WastinTime]

Don't worry. To how many cities did you expand? How many cities did you gobble up with war chariots? Curious to know what you consider a critical mass for this.

I'm not sure what is critical. Probably 10 cities is needed because making Great spies cannot be done with one or two giant GP farms. Of course, practically any game, any VC, can benefit from more cities. I played a fairly good empire expansion game, but could have used a couple more cities. I think I had 15-20. I only built a small handful myself. I captured all of England and America (one Fred city as payback for DoW on me). Then several barbs.

 

[Quechua]

I won a traditional culture game in 15xx I think. I played a bad game but it's impressive to see how much you guys are beating me by using espionage (no doubt you would beat me by quite a bit the traditional way too)

 

[Xcalibrator]

A surprise Diplo win for me in 1665 on the Challenger/Deity file. I was going for Dom/Conquest but thought I might have an outside shot at a Religious win. Lo and behold, on the turn I got Artillery with a DoW on Gandhi and his vassals imminent (because he was only 6 turns from a Cultural win) the screen came up saying that I'd won with the UN by getting (and needing!) exactly 399 of the 644 votes. Well strap my face to the side of a pig and roll me in the mud!

I didn't play this terribly well but as you can see I got lucky. I wiped out England first, then vassalized Washington and Wm. I hoped to take Fred next but just before I was going to take a fourth city (and a second from Gandhi), Gandhi got Artillery and wiped out my freakin' huge stack. I took peace, built gold to finance research, and slowly teched my way up the tree by directing my vassals' research and trading with them. I don't know if 6 turns would have been enough to take and raze one of Gandhi's Legendary cities, and am glad I didn't have to find out! Thanks for the game, Neil. I've always liked the plains map.

 

[Conquistador 63]

Another would-be space attempt aborted due to a lack of time to finish it properly. Tripped the land domination limit in 1410AD for some 400k+ score.

Funny thing is that was the same turn I got elected UN sec general, so could win by diplo on the 1st upcoming vote (had 3 vassals and killed off 2 others). Also I was the AP resident (not the owner), and the AP's hammer benefits to religious buildings still applied after I had learned Mass Media??

Certainly I don't remember CIV mechanics as well as I used to in the past. Still love the game after all these years, though.

 

[Folket]

I abandoned my game because of starting so late. Not much to say. Killed the Dutch in the BC and was consider to attack England or Aztecs next. I think I still have a lot to learn about timing attacks and winning domination.

Gandhi was the first to start a war and the only AI to start a war. India was very strong and Germany peace vassaled to them for no reason at all.

I think I would be able to win this but I was not impressed with my performance. I do not think it would have been easy against a real deity opponent starting with 2 settlers. I had tech parity but my economy never took off after capturing the Dutch cities. I guess I will have to be less lazy and micro my workers in the next game.

Still I see this as a warm up for the game starting today.

 

[evil_spock]

560 AD conquest, 440k points.

Quite an easy immortal. Conquered England with war chariots and expanded a bit more with settlers and chariots. The main goal was to get early feudalism/guilds which worked quite nicely (feudalism 525 BC and guilds 100 bc).

Then it was just gathering enough horse power and vassalizing everyone as fast as possible. No problems with economy, thanks to golden age, CoL and conquest gold.

Lizzy 1560 BC (dead)
Willem 225 AD.
Freddy 375 AD (dow 350 AD, so that was an easy one...)
Gandhi 400 AD
Monty/Washy 540 AD

Thanks for the game. Could the mapmaker add a little more cows to the next game? There were hardly any in this map .

 

[Yamps]

Phew, just on time!

860 AD Domination, 492k. Also knight conquest similar to evil_spock.

 

[Yamps]

Well strap my face to the side of a pig and roll me in the mud!

@Folket

In my game, Germany peace vassaled to me at Cautious for no reason, except for some 20 knights coming their way and 25 cities vs 8 or so.

I also got "you must be joking" from Washington when he was down to 3 cities , while much stronger William didn't mind to surrender. I forgot what's that about, maybe somebody could explain it?

@C63 the owner of the palace needs to know MM to make it obsolete.

 

[WastinTime]

I also got "you must be joking" from Washington when he was down to 3 cities , while much stronger William didn't mind to surrender.

You need to get a certain amount of 'War Success' points more than Washington has (40 points to be exact.) Killing units and taking cities earn points. However, if you recently Cease Fire/Peace, then the score resets to 0-0. Probably this is what you did?

That should be the only thing standing in your way (i.e. why he thinks you're a joke.)

 

[Yamps]

Thanks! Yes, that's exactly what happened. I had an unfortunate mis-click in the diplo screen a couple of turns earlier that got me a cease fire by accident.