Brazilian Alternative Leader

[Henri Christophe]

I'm tired of Pedro II and believe Brazil can have an alternative leader in Civ 7.
That is the options.:
1- Pedro I, his father, the one who proclaimes the independence and also can be an alternative leader from Portugal as Pedro IV.

2-Deodoro da Fonseca, the dude who proclaims the Republic

3-Floriano Peixoto, the second president and a strong man. There is a city named after him, Florianópolis, the capital of the state of Santa Catarina.

4-Nilo Peçanha, the first black president of Brazil.

5- Getúlio Vargas, he ends the Republic of Milk with Coffe in a revolution without blood. He made a fascist dictatur called Estado Novo, who was very similar of the fascism in Spain and Portugal. But despite it, Brazil fight in the second world war in the US side, because of that in 1945 he renounce, but back by democratic elections in 1951. He kills him self to avoid a coup.

6- Juscelino Kubitschek, the smile president, is the one who build the city of Brasilia. Brazilian capital.

 

[Xandinho]

I don't mind Pedro II appearing again and again. To be honest, he is the best leader that Brazil can have in a game like this (a very nice leader, great personality, very admired and respected abroad... and one thing to have in mind is that he isn't even close to being controversial like Getúlio Vargas, for example). Anyway, I'm not keen on seeing boring presidents of the past century, but if I had to choose one, I'd choose Juscelino Kubitschek because: 1) He is not that controversial; 2) He was very important in Brazilian history and had a decent personality; 3) He'd have a very obvious ability.

 

[Henri Christophe]

he isn't even close to being controversial like Getúlio Vargas, for example

Despite Getúlio Vargas be de facto a controversial president, I like him very much. I believe Getúlio was the best president of Brazil (Maybe Lula can be also the best, but since Lula still a live I take him out of the thread).
Getúlio Vargas end the old republic in a revolution without blood and give his life for what he believes. Was amazing millestones in his life.

I agree on you Pedro II is best leader of Brazil, but I don't think it is out of some controversia, first of all was the slavery. What he only finish with that in his last year in power. Why Pedro II, as the emperor, don't finish the slavery before? He has the power, but not the willining to do so.
Other controversia about Pedro II reign was the war against Paraguay, even after conquer Assunción, Pedro II want to catch Solano López alive or dead. That leads for a massacre of Paraguayan people, the most infamous was the battle of kids when the Brazilian army lead by Conde D'Eu fight against childrens.

 

[awesome]

Leave it as Dom Pedro II (and definitely not his dad, the gimmicky leaders of two civilizations thing needs to never come back again)

 

[Henri Christophe]

Leave it as Dom Pedro II (and definitely not his dad, the gimmicky leaders of two civilizations thing needs to never come back again)

I don't have any problem with a leader be leader of two nations, it's a fun mechanic.
If this mechanic back in Civ 7, Pedro I of Brazil (Pedro IV of Portugal) is a very good option. Better than some king (or queen) from colonial times as suggest here: https://forums.civfanatics.com/thre...ernate-leader-for-brazil-and-portugal.670285/
Also I would like to see Pedro I just to be someone different from Pedro II. Just to change a little

Other leader what I would like to see leading two Civs is Piye from Egypt (and also Nubia). Because should be fun to see a black Pharaoh

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I agree on you Pedro II is best leader of Brazil, but I don't think it is out of some controversia, first of all was the slavery. What he only finish with that in his last year in power. Why Pedro II, as the emperor, don't finish the slavery before? He has the power, but not the willining to do so.

because he had to watch out for parliaments and freeing slaves was VERY unpopular move. Brazil wasn't some sort of absolute monarchy like in France under Louis 14th for example.

 

[Henri Christophe]

because he had to watch out for parliaments and freeing slaves was VERY unpopular move. Brazil wasn't some sort of absolute monarchy like in France under Louis 14th for example.

By Brazilian constitution of 1824, the king was above all powers. In constitution says about the 3 powers of Montesquieu (legislative, executive and judiciary) but it also has the 4th power (the king) who is above all. Pedro II don't use his power because he doesn't want to do so.

And when the Aurea law was signed (the law of abolishment of slavery), it was directly from the hands of the princess Isabel, the parliament was not involved at all.

As I see that, Pedro II want to do the abolishment of slavery very smooth, first was a law to forbiden trans atlantic slavery, then the black who born in Brazil was free and for last the very old Blacks are free too. And just in the end of his life he ends slavery. I don't see it as something to be proud of, because it take too long. (the last country of the West hemisphere to do so)

 

[Kupe Navigator]

As I see that, Pedro II want to do the abolishment of slavery very smooth, first was a law to forbiden trans atlantic slavery, then the black who born in Brazil was free and for last the very old Blacks are free too. And just in the end of his life he ends slavery. I don't see it as something to be proud of, because it take too long. (the last country of the West hemisphere to do so)

Well why did he abdicate once he abolished slavery?

 

[Henri Christophe]

Well why did he abdicate once he abolished slavery?

He doesn't abdicate, there was a coup against the monarchy. And Pedro II, and his family, was forced to go to the exile.

There is some reasons to have a coup, the most important is the Republican movement of the army.
The army become stronger after Paraguayan war and, since Blacks and Whites fight together in this war, the army was very anti-slavery and republican.
The republicans was very inspired in USA, so inspired that, when Brazil become a republic it's name change to United States of Brazil and have their flag very similar to the USA flag.

Other issue about the Monarchy after Pedro II is who should be Brazilian king, since Pedro II don't have any male heir. That make the princess Isabel the most obvious choice to inherit the Brazilian throne, but his husband, the Conde D'Eu, was a french dude who anyone likes him and brazilians was afraid Brazil was lead by him, a dude who can't even speak Portuguese well.

Also have the religous question, since Pedro II allow the freedom of religion in Brazil and the Catolic church believes it should be only catholics allowed in Brazil.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

He doesn't abdicate, there was a coup against the monarchy. And Pedro II, and his family, was forced to go to the exile.

There is some reasons to have a coup, the most important is the Republican movement of the army.
The army become stronger after Paraguayan war and, since Blacks and Whites fight together in this war, the army was very anti-slavery and republican.
The republicans was very inspired in USA, so inspired that, when Brazil become a republic it's name change to United States of Brazil and have their flag very similar to the USA flag.

Other issue about the Monarchy after Pedro II is who should be Brazilian king, since Pedro II don't have any male heir. That make the princess Isabel the most obvious choice to inherit the Brazilian throne, but his husband, the Conde D'Eu, was a french dude who anyone likes him and brazilians was afraid Brazil was lead by him, a dude who can't even speak Portuguese well.

Also have the religous question, since Pedro II allow the freedom of religion in Brazil and the Catolic church believes it should be only catholics allowed in Brazil.

Thing is Brazil has been under pressure from Britain to abolish slavery ever since king John VI of Portugal was reigning. But because Brazil was so dependent on slavery that it couldn't. Really Brazil economy was like Southern States of US pre-civil war. Not even high and mighty Emperor could touch the issue without upsetting important people.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Thing is Brazil has been under pressure from Britain to abolish slavery ever since king John VI of Portugal was reigning. But because Brazil was so dependent on slavery that it couldn't. Really Brazil economy was like Southern States of US pre-civil war. Not even high and mighty Emperor could touch the issue without upsetting important people.

Okay, in that issue we will disagree forever. I will always believe Pedro II should be ended with slavery several years before of 1888. And Brazil be the last country in the West hemisphere to end slavery will be forever a shame for us.

But this thread isn't about Brazilian history, it is about Brazilian Alternative Leader. Have you cast your vote in the poll? If yes, who you voted for? Or you believe Civilization must have Pedro II forever as Brazilian leader?