Bring back the Welsh

[Welsh Warrior]

Civ II has the Welsh but Civ III doesn't. Civ IV should definitely have them.

Wales and her people have had an awesome effect on the World. America was "discovered" by Prince Madog of Wales in 1170.

The Welsh have colonised parts of South America, particularly Patagonia where Welsh is still spoken today.

There are high numbers of Welsh descendents in Pennsylvania and other industrial/mining states of the USA.

Several of the Presidents of the USA are of Welsh descent, including Lincoln.

Elvis Presley is of Welsh descent - no problems with keeping the masses entertained then!

Wales has successfully fought wars against the English.

The "=" symbol was invented by a Welshman - what more do you need to know?

 

[Stid]

we also hav you to thank for robbie savage

 

[KabeDerlin]

Though I have no real preference of Civilizations to put in since modding is easy, I must say I support the Welsh. My name, Keith, is Welsh. Or so I've heard.

 

[eromrab]

Scottish and Swedish are better

 

[rbis4rbb]

Civ II has the Welsh but Civ III doesn't. Civ IV should definitely have them.

Wales and her people have had an awesome effect on the World. America was "discovered" by Prince Madog of Wales in 1170.

The Welsh have colonised parts of South America, particularly Patagonia where Welsh is still spoken today.

There are high numbers of Welsh descendents in Pennsylvania and other industrial/mining states of the USA.

Several of the Presidents of the USA are of Welsh descent, including Lincoln.

Elvis Presley is of Welsh descent - no problems with keeping the masses entertained then!

Wales has successfully fought wars against the English.

The "=" symbol was invented by a Welshman - what more do you need to know?

Did they have a huge empire? Did they influence/change the world? DId they conquer many lands and people? Did they control a vast trade network. The Wlesh are undeserving; sorry.

 

[Welsh Warrior]

we also hav you to thank for robbie savage

You're welcome

Perhaps he could be the Leaderhead

 

[steviejay]

The "=" symbol was invented by a Welshman - what more do you need to know?

Scotland ain't in it and we invented the telephone, the tv. the adhesive postage stamp and Penicillin to name a few so we own Wales in the invention category.

What wars did Wales fight against the English and when (I'm not Flaming, I'm just curious)

Scotland for Civ 4

 

[majk-iii]

I guess that when they put the Austrians AND the germans/preussians (both allemani) in the game together they should also consider the welsh, scottish, irish, gauls etc. But until then: isn't it enough with the generic celts and the possibilites to mod the game?
I mean the scandinavians get by fine without a (five) three-split... plus theres no Lapps.
There's no slavs in the game except for russia who's the bigger one, and frankly, thats ok.

 

[Welsh Warrior]

Scotland ain't in it and we invented the telephone, the tv. the adhesive postage stamp and Penicillin to name a few so we own Wales in the invention category.

What wars did Wales fight against the English and when (I'm not Flaming, I'm just curious)

Scotland for Civ 4

In the 13th century the Welsh were kicking some butt against Edward I who was looking to wipe them off the face of the Earth. The tactics developed fighting the badass Welsh laid the groundwork for the following fisticuffs in Scotland, Ireland and France. Welsh guerilla warfare forced the English to get good at fighting, unfortunately for the aforementioned countries.

In the early 1400s Owain Glyndwr led Welsh forces to kick some serious English butt. The Welsh held territory all the way up to the source of the Mersey. They have since given it back for obvious reasons!

Henry Tudor was born in Pembroke, Wales and led a force of Welsh, English and Irish through Wales all the way to Leicester where he smacked Richard III upside the head and became King of England etc - therefore, the Tudor Dynasty was begun by a Welshman and all his offspring - Henry VIII, Mary Tudor, Edward and Elizabeth I were all Welsh!

Did you know that the first distillery set up in America which was also the first bourbon distillery was set up in Kentucky by a family from Dale, Pembrokeshire?
Jack Daniels was from a Welsh family?
Several of the early US Presidents were of Welsh descent.
During the American Civil War, the South (ah say boy) was headed by a Welshman, Jefferson Davis.
Mount Everest is named after a Welshman.
Pennsylvania was originally going to be called New Wales. The English didn’t like the idea of that and named it after the guy who wanted to call it New Wales, William Penn.

The Welsh have had a significant impact on the World as have the Jocks.

 

[Philips beard]

Yeah! They even got the Prince of Wales too!

 

[jonax]

You could have a flavour system so that the Celts could be named Scots, Welsh, Picts, Irish, Boii, Briton... or the Slavs be named Russian, Moravian, Serb, Polish, Ukrainian. This could allow you to play "your" nation or tribe without have hundreds of identical civs. Also the idea of nations is only a hundred and fifty years old. The nation state is a phenomenon of the 20th century, in the 19th century and before you had empires and kingdoms, in ancient times city states (which Civ III simulates very well).

 

[Welsh Warrior]

You could have a flavour system so that the Celts could be named Scots, Welsh, Picts, Irish, Boii, Briton... or the Slavs be named Russian, Moravian, Serb, Polish, Ukrainian. This could allow you to play "your" nation or tribe without have hundreds of identical civs. Also the idea of nations is only a hundred and fifty years old. The nation state is a phenomenon of the 20th century, in the 19th century and before you had empires and kingdoms, in ancient times city states (which Civ III simulates very well).

Great Idea Playing as your nation/civ/country/tribe makes the game more personal and really adds to the engaging nature of the game. You could then really take it personally when you're invaded and enjoy smiting the aggressor all the more.

 

[Welsh Warrior]

Yeah! They even got the Prince of Wales too!

Yeah, but the current Prince of Wales is German/English/Greek. not a bit Welsh.

I think we would quite happily trade him for King Olaf The Hairy

 

[Spatula]

In the 13th century the Welsh were kicking some butt against Edward I who was looking to wipe them off the face of the Earth. The tactics developed fighting the badass Welsh laid the groundwork for the following fisticuffs in Scotland, Ireland and France. Welsh guerilla warfare forced the English to get good at fighting, unfortunately for the aforementioned countries.

In the early 1400s Owain Glyndwr led Welsh forces to kick some serious English butt. The Welsh held territory all the way up to the source of the Mersey. They have since given it back for obvious reasons!

You seem to have omitted the (although you did infer it) detail that eventually Edward smashed the Welsh and built ruddy great castles all over the place. They've never succesfully fought back since then.

It's interesting how a lot of Sotuh Welsh feel closer to the English.....no doubt because a load of them ARE English (through descent).

 

[Spatula]

I think we would quite happily trade him for King Olaf The Hairy

I think we would as well. You think you've got it bad, him being your Prince, we're going to have him as King.....

 

[Welsh Warrior]

You seem to have omitted the (although you did infer it) detail that eventually Edward smashed the Welsh and built ruddy great castles all over the place. They've never succesfully fought back since then.

It's interesting how a lot of Sotuh Welsh feel closer to the English.....no doubt because a load of them ARE English (through descent).

Edward smashed the Welsh but that was prior to Owain Glyndwr's rampage into England. I would say that that was a fairly successful, yet limited, fight back.

Those castles are awesome and indicate the fear the English had of any further Welsh uprisings.

The English carpetbaggers of which you speak are still outnumbered by proud Welshmen (and women) who know their history and their historical oppressors.

 

[Spatula]

Edward smashed the Welsh but that was prior to Owain Glyndwr's rampage into England. I would say that that was a fairly successful, yet limited, fight back.

I got him mixed with that Llewlyn guy.

The English carpetbaggers of which you speak are still outnumbered by proud Welshmen (and women) who know their history and their historical oppressors.

Now that just plain hurts to see you say that. We are NOT oppressors. People seem to forget that the English also suffered under the rulers that did the 'oppressing'. Some Irish guy once had a dig at the Victorians for 'oppressing' the Irish - yet what nationality were the people working up chimneys and in the workhouses?

 

[Spatula]

P.S: I'd much rather just have the Celts for the time being. You'd have to add the Irish and Scots as well, and given there are so many European civs anyway.....

PPS: America was 'discovered' by Leif Eriksson in 1000 AD.

 

[majk-iii]

Look... i'm all for the adding of new civ's, but i cant stand this unhealthy nationalistic ferver that arises when trying to "beef up" the importance of every lil' european tribe/country.
"-The welsh found america! -Nooo, the picts i say! -Nooo, the Poles are the greatest civ ever!!! -Nooooo, the Huns!!!!"

 

[majk-iii]

"....-Noooo, the Angles!!! -Noooo, the saxons!!!! -Nooooo, the normands!!! -Noooo, the Etruscans!!! -Nooooooooooo!!!!"

... i mean, people, c'mon...