[BtS] Aybraus's Pitboss

Ian Narin = IanDC . Also pretty sure that Quotey wants to change to justian. Also most of the people who posted in the thread originally are certanly still interested. Hellwitch is away for the weekend(just as slaze), but sure he is interested still. Also pretty sure hoplosternum and classical hero are interested. Anyways you are host so you decide. How big map are you looking at? Large with 10 people maybe? Getting the full 18 wouldn't be a problem if you wanted to(but some people like smaller maps). Obviously with 10 people it is alot easier to arange live sessions.

Actually Ian Nairn is me, not IanDC. His surname is Curry I think. I got in and we use DirectIP, no LAN as instructed in the Email. Make sure that it is simultaneous turns.
 
Thanks for the connection details. I was able to get into the test game fine.

Since the size hasn't been announced yet, with 14 players (all starting in the Old World) can I assume we will we be going for large size or huge?

- If we are going for large size, I chose Pacal II (Mayans)
- If we are going for huge size, I chose Willem Van Oranje (Dutch)

Cheers,
Munro
 
Do we really want to use the PerfectWorld map script? I'm fine with playing alternative maps, but after downloading and opening a map with this script in world builder I can't say I'm that enthusiastic.

Here's three starting locations--these are all from the same map.

Spoiler :
pw10000.jpg


The northern start has 5 gems and 2 coastal fish and the south-eastern one has no resources at all.

Here's another one from the same area.

pw20000.jpg

Sure, civilization isn't balanced like competitive RTS, but this is a little over the top--I can't see it work out.
 
Alright. Everyone check the OP to make sure that your leader choices are correct and tell me if they aren't. If I haven't sent you connection instructions, notify me of that as well.
 
Im new to hamachi and not able to connect. Probably my ignorance and nothing more, just may need a little hand holding to get connected.
 
Do we really want to use the PerfectWorld map script? I'm fine with playing alternative maps, but after downloading and opening a map with this script in world builder I can't say I'm that enthusiastic.

Here's three starting locations--these are all from the same map.

Spoiler :
pw10000.jpg


The northern start has 5 gems and 2 coastal fish and the south-eastern one has no resources at all.

Here's another one from the same area.

pw20000.jpg

Sure, civilization isn't balanced like competitive RTS, but this is a little over the top--I can't see it work out.

Wow, that's a lot more unbalanced than I was expecting. I assume you're using the latest version of the map script? I do remember reading that the script adjusts starting resources based on how 'good' the start is (including land available for expansion) which could be what's going on in the first screenshot - since one start is 'isolated' on a small island (but sailing clearly makes it unbalanced). That may be something we can work around by tweaking the map settings / regnerating a few times, but if we use this script we should definitely have an independent 3rd party vet. the map for fairness before we start.

Looks like some careful experimentation with the mapscript settings is necessary, and then perhaps autogenerate 5-10 different starts and have an independent 3rd party chose the fairest one (perhaps with minor tweaks to resources if needed, or even an extra settler or starting worker or tech or something like that if justified anywhere - e.g. if there is a minority of starts that're clearly under powered / over powered)? That'd take some care but I don't think it'd be too hard to find someone willing to do that.

Anyway, it'd be nice to use the perfectworld script if we can - the maps look really interesting (but agree with Rusten that it needs also to be viable as an enjoyable but competitive game).

Another potential solution might be to play in teams of 2, to help smooth out the worst effects of randomness. That would obviously be quite a different game though, so that might not be an option unless everyone was keen.
 
I belive we already got someone to regenerate a map that would be somewhat balanced for everyone(aka no modifications but no insanely bad starts either), just regenerations.
 
Ok, I've made the WB save at aybraus request for this ( nothing too crazy in terms of starting positions, but some are clearly more challenging than others ) ;) Before sending it to him I just wanted to ask if someone wants a particular color or artstyle for their civ. I recommend this especially for the doubled civs , to avoid confusion in game ( the game autoassigns a diferent color style in that case, but you might not like it..... )

The possible colors are defined in CIV4PlayerColorInfos.XML in Beyond the sword/Assets/XML/Interface. If needed I can post the colors in here...... Primary color is the main color of flag and of border, secondary color is the color of the flag symbols
Spoiler possible player color schema :
Code:
<PlayerColorInfos>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_BLACK</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_WHITE</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_BLUE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLUE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_WHITE</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_BLUE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_BROWN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_BROWN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_YELLOW</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_BROWN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_CYAN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_CYAN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_CYAN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_BLUE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_BLUE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_YELLOW</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_BLUE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_CYAN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_CYAN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_WHITE</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_CYAN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_GREEN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_GREEN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_YELLOW</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_GREEN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_PINK</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_PINK</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_YELLOW</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_PINK_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_PURPLE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_PURPLE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_YELLOW</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_PURPLE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_RED</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_RED</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_YELLOW</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_RED_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_YELLOW</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_YELLOW</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_RED</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_YELLOW_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_GRAY</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_GRAY</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_GRAY_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_GREEN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_GREEN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_GREEN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_ORANGE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_ORANGE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_WHITE</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_ORANGE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_PEACH</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_PEACH</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_PEACH_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_PINK</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_PINK</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_RED</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_PINK_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_PURPLE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_PURPLE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_PURPLE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_RED</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_RED</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_WHITE</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_RED_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_WHITE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_WHITE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_RED</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_WHITE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_YELLOW</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_YELLOW</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_BLUE</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_YELLOW_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_LIGHT_GREEN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_GREEN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_BLUE</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_GREEN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_LIGHT_BLUE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_BLUE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_BLUE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_LIGHT_YELLOW</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_YELLOW</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_YELLOW_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_LIGHT_PURPLE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_PURPLE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_PURPLE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_LIGHT_ORANGE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_ORANGE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_DARK_GREEN</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_ORANGE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_MIDDLE_PURPLE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_MIDDLE_PURPLE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_GOLDENROD</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_MIDDLE_PURPLE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_GRAY</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_GRAY</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_YELLOW</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_GRAY_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_MIDDLE_GREEN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_MIDDLE_GREEN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_CYAN_TEXT</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_MIDDLE_GREEN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_LEMON</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_LEMON</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_LEMON_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_MIDDLE_BLUE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_MIDDLE_BLUE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_RED_TEXT</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_MIDDLE_BLUE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_MIDDLE_CYAN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_MIDDLE_CYAN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_MAROON</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_MIDDLE_CYAN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_LIGHT_BROWN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_BROWN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_BROWN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_ORANGE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_ORANGE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_ORANGE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_DARK_GREEN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_DARK_GREEN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_PALE_RED</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_DARK_GREEN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_INDIGO</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_INDIGO</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_PALE_ORANGE</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_INDIGO_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_RED_AND_GOLD</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_RED</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_YELLOW</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_RED_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_GOLD_AND_BLACK</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_GOLDENROD</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_GOLDENROD</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_GREEN_AND_BLACK</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_GREEN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_BLACK</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_GREEN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_CYAN_AND_LEMON</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_CYAN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_YELLOW</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_CYAN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_BLACK_AND_GREEN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_BLACK</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_MIDDLE_GREEN</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_LIGHT_BLACK_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_GREEN_AND_WHITE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_GREEN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_WHITE</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_WHITE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_CYAN_AND_GRAY</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_CYAN</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_GRAY</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_CYAN_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_DARK_INDIGO_AND_WHITE</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_INDIGO</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_WHITE</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_INDIGO_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
		<PlayerColorInfo>
			<Type>PLAYERCOLOR_ORANGE_AND_GREEN</Type>
			<ColorTypePrimary>COLOR_PLAYER_ORANGE</ColorTypePrimary>
			<ColorTypeSecondary>COLOR_PLAYER_DARK_GREEN</ColorTypeSecondary>
			<TextColorType>COLOR_PLAYER_ORANGE_TEXT</TextColorType>
		</PlayerColorInfo>
Two players already asked me to change colors ;)
 
Well hey! It's the 27th in GMT. Let's get this party started!

And it's ready! Two things though before you connect:
1) Instead of joining an LAN game, join a direct IP and use the IP of pitboss host as indicated by hamachi.
2) Use the same password that the hamachi network has to join the game.
 
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