Build the Globe Theater?

[GeorgeOP]

I would like to start a discussion on whether we should build the Globe Theater. It is a National Wonder, so we don't have to worry about someone else building it first. However, we can only build two National Wonders per city, so we must plan ahead. We will be able to start building it in ~8 turns, once we finish our 6th Theater. It costs 300 hammers and will provide 4 culture and 1 GPP(artist). The main bonus is that the city no longer has any , so health is the only thing stopping growth. Most of our cities are capped by and not health, so this will help any city it's built in. With a lot of cottages built around the Globe Theater, we can get our economy going. We could also build a lot of farms around the Globe Theater and make a GP farm.

When I post the poll (unless there is no support in this discussion), I'll make one poll that asks whether to build it and a second to ask where to build it.

 

[Vind2]

I wonder if our econmy can handle it right now. What city are you thinking about building it in?

 

[Sigma]

I'd suggest building it in the city that has the most potential for growth, but I'm not sure which one that is. I'd tentatively say BW.

Really the only reason we *shouldn't* build this right now is because we have more important things to build. We're not building any settlers, workers, or military units right now because we can't support them. So unless there are some buildings that we need to build right away I say go for it. (Markets will be nice to help our economy but we have to wait for Currency to build them)

 

[robboo]

Build it...

Dont just look at the cities now look at what they "could" become so somewhere like a former mongolian city coulds be a better site. With the 2 clam resources and a light house, the former Mongolian capital could be a good place for it.

 

[GeorgeOP]

I was tentively thinking of BW. And Vind2 is right, it would hurt our economy short term since BW is "building" research right now. I didn't say where I wanted to build it right away since I knew someone would come up with a better idea. Robboo's idea of Karakurum sounds intreaging. I'll have to look at it when I get home tonight.

 

[Sweetacshon]

We should absolutely build it, but where, and for what purpose? No doubt the GT would benefit BW (or any city with happiness issues) in the long run, but BW is carrying a fair economic and research weight currently, so it may not be feasible to build it there at the moment. If we are thinking of a GP farm, then both:

Karakorum (2 clams, 7 normal sea tiles, 8 grassland, (1 on river))
Beshbalik (1 wheat plain, 10 grass (with 4 on rvr), 3 plains (2 on rvr))

seem the best options, due to minimal river tiles, ie less commerce potential.
A quick count, with full farmed tile use, Karakorum has 49 food, and Beshbalik has 42. Oh yeah, I forgot the hills, 2 and 3 respectively, add mills thats K - 53, B - 48. I think (hope) the sums were right. Also, Kara already has its lighthouse (and an academy - crazyAI!!), while Besh has nothing yet. The only other point is that Beshbalik is on the border, currently at least, which could be an issue if conflict arises.

 

[robboo]

So kara might be a good choice for a GP farm...but what about a massive cottage spam with enough farms since the acedemy is also present. We would get the research boost from the acedemy instead of lettting it sit unused. One of our places like Auda could be a good GP farm if we can provide enough happiness. Look how fast it grew so far.

 

[GeorgeOP]

Ok, so our choices are:
BW
Karakorum GP farm
Karakorum cottage spam
Beshbaik GP farm
Auda GP farm

Any others before I make the poll?

 

[dutchfire]

Globe Theater should be in a GP farm.
A GP farm should be just a GP-farm, so Beshbalik or Auda.
What GP's are we looking for? (I believe Engineers, Merchants and Scientists)

 

[Sigma]

Ok, so our choices are:
BW
Karakorum GP farm
Karakorum cottage spam
Beshbaik GP farm
Auda GP farm

Any others before I make the poll?

George, unless you're just posting an opinion poll to get an idea of what we're going to do, I should post the poll. If you remember, we need the approval of the Citizens Assembly to build a wonder, and the Censor is in charge of posting polls of the CA.

I should note, however, that the CA does not decide where to build the wonder, only whether or not to build it. It is the MoI's decision, though you're always welcome to get input through discussions and polls.

 

[GeorgeOP]

Oops. Sorry I didn't want to step on your toes, Sigma. I'm just trying to get this discussion going as citizen. I forgot that MoI gets final say in where it goes. I'm not running for MoI, so I won't be deciding anyway.

And I was going to have two seperate polls, whether to build it and where to build it. It was going to be an informational poll to help the MoI decide where to build it, but after looking at the CoL again I'll let him decide how to choose where to build it.

 

[Sigma]

No worries. I just didn't want to go through the same ordeal that we had with the Great Library.

 

[Sweetacshon]

Yes, Auda isn't bad either, 9 sea including lake, 6 grass, 3 plain, 1 pig. Something like 49 food. Similar to Beshbalik, however there are no hills, hence few hammers in Auda, although we might be able to put some workshops down until we need the farmland.

I agree we should probably use the academy for the extra science, considering it is there. Karakorum might just house a few specialists for us anyway.

 

[Oldbus]

I think we need to make a poll asap. I've been looking at Beshbalik and I think we'll complete the granary before the end of the next TC (if it goes a full 10 turns): 44 hpt for the forest chop + 50 hpt (at 5 per turn) = 90 for the granary + 4 left over.

If Beshbalik doesn't build the Globe Theatre, then I suggest starting the Library. It gives extra culture which is good as the city borders Russia, and the only real alternative is the Barracks and I don't think Bb has enough hammers to build a lot of units (though we do have 3 hills).

I'm happy with Bb being either a money-making city or a GPP farm, but I think we should decide quickly.

 

[GenMarshall]

Just a remember, we can only build two national wonders in each city so we realy need to chose wisely on where to build this .

 

[dimaliok]

Just a remember, we can only build two national wonders in each city so we realy need to chose wisely on where to build this .

In that case auda or BB lets save Bw for more important stuff

 

[dimaliok]

Just a remember, we can only build two national wonders in each city so we realy need to chose wisely on where to build this .

In that case auda or BB lets save Bw for more important stuff

 

[dimaliok]

Omg dubole post sry

 

[Oldbus]

Just a remember, we can only build two national wonders in each city so we realy need to chose wisely on where to build this .

I quite agree. I also agree with dimaliok that BW may be required for more important stuff (such as military units). I think AC and Bb are good candidates for GPP cities and that the Globe Theatre and National Epic would go well in such a city (Hermitage is also a possibility, but I think it is less useful).

As far as Bb is concerned, I can't see Heroic Epic, Red Cross, Scotland Yard, West Point (all mil/unit type of Nat wonders) or Ironworks (big hammer city wonder) being built there.

If Bb wasn't chosen as a GPP city, it could maybe spam cottages and possibly build Wall St, or go for science and build Ox Univ. Mt Rushmore and Forbidden Palace are slightly different nat wonders.

Err... back on topic, I think we should choose a GPP city and it should probably be AC or Bb (maybe Karakorum??) As Governor of Beshbalik I'd like to recommend our vibrant city

 

[Sigma]

The poll for whether or not to build this wonder has been posted here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=172394

Please continue any discussion in that thread. Thanks!