Building my own system

But mine is better than yours, Marine :p

AMD64 3000+ (looking to OC to 3200)
ASUS Nforce 4 SLI deluxe motherboard
Seagate 120GB 7200RPM 8MB buffer
512 X 2 Samsung value RAM, PC3200 and 400Mhz
Pioneer DVD burner 16X4X16 DUAL LAYER+R 4X CDRW 32X24X40
Cable with rates at 2.4 MBS
ATI RAEDON 9200SE 128 PCI (getting a 6600GT this week, along with another fan and cold cathode light)
Antec Super Lanboy Case with two 120MM fans, front fan lights up blue
Neon blue cold cathode light beside clear side panel
ThermalTake 420 W ATX 12V or so.
 
Get this burner instead: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-035&depa=0 - better performance (even though you can't see it in the numbers) than the Sony you listed - and it's the exact same price.

If you get an nForce board, you might as well get one with Soundstream built-in - it will be the best soundcard built-in to a motherboard and will outperform any Creative card for true digital sound if you get digital surround speakers.
 
andvruss said:
But mine is better than yours, Marine :p

AMD64 3000+ (looking to OC to 3200)
ASUS Nforce 4 SLI deluxe motherboard
Seagate 120GB 7200RPM 8MB buffer
512 X 2 Samsung value RAM, PC3200 and 400Mhz
Pioneer DVD burner 16X4X16 DUAL LAYER+R 4X CDRW 32X24X40
Cable with rates at 2.4 MBS
ATI RAEDON 9200SE 128 PCI (getting a 6600GT this week, along with another fan and cold cathode light)
Antec Super Lanboy Case with two 120MM fans, front fan lights up blue
Neon blue cold cathode light beside clear side panel
ThermalTake 420 W ATX 12V or so.

Hmph. :p

@Jeratain: I don't like sounds that much. ;) SO I normally have sound turned off..... ;)

@DaEezT: Intresting. Will take a lok at. :)

Kingston VALUERAM 184-Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-2700, Model KVR333X64C25K2/1G - OEM

CHAINTECH "S1689" ALi M1689 Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU -RETAIL

AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 512KB L2 Cache, Socket 939 64-bit Processor - Retail

I dunno.....:hmm:
 
MarineCorps said:
Well seeing as the Athlon 64 motherboard he linked to has 4 USB ports in the front but the case only has 2 USB sockets in the front.
The front USB ports are only on the front if the case has them. Alternatively you can connect them to a panel in place of a pci slot.

MarineCorps said:
I'm not sure what you are commenting on here. If it is the price then the reason this is expensive is because it is performance RAM for people who like to overclock. An example of a 2x512MB pack that I am talking about is HERE

DaEezT said:
I'd go for Socket 939.
For someone with a larger budget I would agree with you, but Turner 727 is already stretching things with the A64 2800+. The cheapest retail socket 939 CPU is over $200.
 
Zakharov said:
The front USB ports are only on the front if the case has them. Alternatively you can connect them to a panel in place of a pci slot.

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Zakharov said:
I'm not sure what you are commenting on here. If it is the price then the reason this is expensive is because it is performance RAM for people who like to overclock. An example of a 2x512MB pack that I am talking about is HERE

Ah.
Always wondered what the purpose of Hyper X was....
 
Zakharov said:
For someone with a larger budget I would agree with you, but Turner 727 is already stretching things with the A64 2800+. The cheapest retail socket 939 CPU is over $200.

My comment was more directed at MarineCorps (that's why I quoted him :p)

But I don't believe that the cheapest 939 retail is over 200$. here in germany the 939 3000+ is ~20% more expensive than the 745 3000+.
NewEgg doesn't have the 939 3000+ as retail so I can't compare them but I'm sure if you look around for some other shops that have that cpu you'll find it to be bewlow 200$. I just did a quick search on froogle since I don't know any good US shops and it's listed as low as $157.00.

Yes, it is 200MHz less than the 745 3000+ but the increased memory bandwidth is worth it imo. Intel has shown us what a low mem bandwidth does to your raw MHz performance :p

@MarineCorps:
I'd look for a board with VIA or nVidia chipset (my personal preference would be VIA) instead of ALi or SiS. I had a SiS once and still own that ALi (now my parents use it) and neither was really good performance or driver support wise.
 
MarineCorps said:

Two problems here.

The RAM you list is performance RAM for overclockers, but is actually going to slow down the rest of your system as it is PC-2700. You should be looking at PC-3200 RAM.

Kinston value PC-3200 512MB $75.50

The graphics card is not a good choice. Firstly it is a PCI card, and you should be getting an AGP card. Secondly the FX5200 is a very poor card for what it is supposed to do. You should get a Radeon 9550SE at a minimum, preferably a 9600 pro if you can.

9550SE $59

9600pro $102
 
DaEezT said:
Intel has shown us what a low mem bandwidth does to your raw MHz performance :p

Speaking of whom, has intel get it into it's thick head that a 64 bit CPU (other then the server one) mgiht be a good idea?

DaEezT said:
@MarineCorps:
I'd look for a board with VIA or nVidia chipset (my personal preference would be VIA) instead of ALi or SiS. I had a SiS once and still own that ALi (now my parents use it) and neither was really good performance or driver support wise.

CHAINTECH NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU, Model "VNF4/Ultra" -RETAILANd a new video card to go with the PCI express slot

Sapphire ATI RADEON X300 SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, PCI Express, Model "1024-2C50-04-SA" -OEM
 
DaEezT said:
But I don't believe that the cheapest 939 retail is over 200$. here in germany the 939 3000+ is ~20% more expensive than the 745 3000+.
NewEgg doesn't have the 939 3000+ as retail so I can't compare them but I'm sure if you look around for some other shops that have that cpu you'll find it to be bewlow 200$. I just did a quick search on froogle since I don't know any good US shops and it's listed as low as $157.00.
You are correct here. I was only listing the A64 3200+ price from newegg as they had nothing cheaper for socket 939 listed. Having done a more thorough check, I have found this S939 3000+ that was not listed under a search for S939 CPUs. I had to search through all AMD CPUs.

A64 3000+ $156

I'm not sure if a S939 mobo will cost any extra, but this CPU is around $40 more than the CPU Turner 727 was originally looking at. It is up to him if he wants to spend the extra. I think it is worth it, but it is not my decision.

FYI, here in Britain the S939 3000+ is only £2 more than the S754 3000+. (£102 compared to £100). Of course, this is only at one site. People should always shop around for the cheapest option.

DaEezT said:
Yes, it is 200MHz less than the 745 3000+ but the increased memory bandwidth is worth it imo. Intel has shown us what a low mem bandwidth does to your raw MHz performance :p
You don't need to convince me. If I was buying a new system for myself then I would be looking at nothing other than a socket 939 CPU. I'm just trying to help people stick to a budget.
 
MarineCorps said:
Yeah. Might be a good idea then to get rid of PC 2700. Time to relist what I am going to buy. Fell free to berate me. :p

Sapphire ATI RADEON X300 SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, PCI Express, Model "1024-2C50-04-SA" -OEM
This is the only problem here. The X300SE only has a 64 bit memory bandwidth. You should look at the X300 range which has 128 bit bandwidth. Here is an example:

X300 $78.50

Alternatively, you could save money on the mobo and get an AGP model. At the moment you have to pay a premium for PCI-E for little to no performance gain, especially considering the processor you are looking at. This will give you some extra money to get a decent graphics card, which will give you much better overall performance from your system for the same money.
 
Zakharov said:
This is the only problem here. The X300SE only has a 64 bit memory bandwidth. You should look at the X300 range which has 128 bit bandwidth. Here is an example:
X300 $78.50

Cool. :goodjob:



Zakharov said:
Alternatively, you could save money on the mobo and get an AGP model. At the moment you have to pay a premium for PCI-E for little to no performance gain, especially considering the processor you are looking at. This will give you some extra money to get a decent graphics card, which will give you much better overall performance from your system for the same money.

Nah. ;) I'll take what I got. :D

Total cost(not including shipping) $1003.67 :eek: On second thought....
 
MarineCorps said:
Total cost(not including shipping) $1003.67 :eek: On second thought....
That's what it costs to get a decent setup. You have some quality components in your list. If you go with this sytem it will perform better than an equivalent package from somewhere like Dell. (Plus you won't have a Dell :crazyeye: ).
 
Two questions that I forgot to answer earlier:

MarineCorps said:
Speaking of whom, has intel get it into it's thick head that a 64 bit CPU (other then the server one) mgiht be a good idea?
Intel should be releasing their 64 bit P4s later this year to coincide with the launch of Windows XP 64 bit. I guess they thought it was best to wait for a 64 bit OS before releasing a 64 bit CPU, whilst AMD decided to corner the 64 bit market earlier.

Turner 727 said:
Oh, and is the Sempron the 'duron' 64 bit chip?
Yes and no. The Sempron is the new value CPU from AMD to replace the Duron, but it is a 32 bit CPU. Basically it is the same architecture as the Athlon 64, but without the 64 bit capability and less level 2 cache.
 
Zakharov said:
Two questions that I forgot to answer earlier:


Intel should be releasing their 64 bit P4s later this year to coincide with the launch of Windows XP 64 bit. I guess they thought it was best to wait for a 64 bit OS before releasing a 64 bit CPU, whilst AMD decided to corner the 64 bit market earlier.

Rather stupid move there. Most who know about win64 will buy their 64 bit CPUs early which means AMD. Intel loses a lot of early money. Oh well some people who might not have bought from AMD otherwise will now buy from them now. :mischief:
 
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