Bush: Good or Bad

[Immortal]

Non-American: No difference, his policies do not majorly affect me personally. What policies he passes that do affect me I agree with.

 

[Steve Winer]

Originally posted by CurtSibling


Perpetuation of hate is no answer to the crisis...

Hate is not what I was saying. Involvement in the middle east conflicts caused Arabs to dislike America, and thus Sept. 11 came of it (Remember, over 2,000 Americans died). Non- involvement in the Middle East conflicts will save more American lives than all this stepped up security in America.

 

[CrazyScientist]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
Unless we take a stand, there isn't going to be an America, only a smoking crater where we used to be.

This is the wrong time to be screaming that the bill of rights is in danger, our ENTIRE way of life is on the block.

I think I have to take issue with this. It sounds like you're saying its OK to sacrifice our freedom, our privacy, and our ideals just as long as our lives are kept out of risk. The Bill of rights is what makes America America. Sacrifice that and we have lost already.

I think Sultan's post sums this up. Does America just mean the territory occupied by the U.S. and the people living there at any given moment? Or does America mean the ideas upon which the country was founded, and countless men and women have risked or lost their lives defending?

 

[onejayhawk]

Who was it that said "Those who sacrifice lieberty for security, deserve neither."?

J

 

[Zcylen]

obviously bad.

although sep 11 was a good reason to declare war I think he already punished Pakistan.

But, I see no reason to go after hussein. the massive destruction weapons? Russia has, India has, Korea has, US HAVE...I mean, are US going to declare war on Russia, dont think so, Bush should say whats THE REAL reason for go to war against Irak,
economical interests, thats all.
after all, he's a texan oiler, right?he knows too well about the business

 

[Immortal]

onejayhawk----->Ben Franklin

 

[onejayhawk]

Originally posted by Immortal
onejayhawk----->Ben Franklin

Thank you.

 

[Bob Sock]

Sadly Americans have the leadership they deserve, a semi literate moron.
We all know that that the US of A are currently the biggest bullies on the block and that the only hope of this ending is from within.
I can only have hope that Bushs leadership will prove to be rock bottom and the beginning of the end for this monstrosity, clearly an affront to all educated and cultured people.
oh btw I'm a non American and I voted no, gotta love that American Democracy, you can vote for candidate 1 or 2 they're both the same but thats all the choice you get.

 

[Jeratain]

Originally posted by onejayhawk
Who was it that said "Those who sacrifice lieberty for security, deserve neither."?

J

Yep Franklin said it, and it is oh so true.

 

[The Troquelet]

Onejayhawk: that was Benjamin Franklin IIRC. A timeless quote and one that was soon to be put to the test in Franklin's lifetime - by the Alien and Sedition act of 1792, which led to the jailing of several dozen newspapermen who criticized the president. America failed that time - the bill was not repealed but expired.

I wish people would stop calling Bush a moron - right after they relate him to a dozen deep Moriarty-like plots. Which is he, the conspirator who schemes to take over the world's oil or the gradeschool failure who can't pick up grammar to save his life? Pick already!

 

[Sultan Bhargash]

Originally posted by The Troquelet

I wish people would stop calling Bush a moron - right after they relate him to a dozen deep Moriarty-like plots. Which is he, the conspirator who schemes to take over the world's oil or the gradeschool failure who can't pick up grammar to save his life? Pick already!

What you can't have is the same people saying he is a moron and also saying he is an evil genius. I've been called for this contradiction before. From what I have seen, Bush is a selective moron: when he had the nobel laureates in his office and was trying to think of how to congratulate them, he hemmed, hawed, and looked skyward like an absentee father forced to speak at his daughter's wedding. But give him the subject matter of weapons of mass destruction and he engages gleefully and freely, speaking slightly more authoritatively. Finally, he may be a bumbling speaker and an utterly unlogical thinker, but he and his cronies have proved to be excellent schemers. With or without a friendly Congress, he came into the office with at least as questionable an authority as a Carter, but I can't think of too many things he has putsched for that he hasn't been given by our lawmakers.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by Bob Sock
Sadly Americans have the leadership they deserve, a semi literate moron.
We all know that that the US of A are currently the biggest bullies on the block and that the only hope of this ending is from within.
I can only have hope that Bushs leadership will prove to be rock bottom and the beginning of the end for this monstrosity, clearly an affront to all educated and cultured people.
oh btw I'm a non American and I voted no, gotta love that American Democracy, you can vote for candidate 1 or 2 they're both the same but thats all the choice you get.

This might be THE stupidest post I've ever seen at CFC.

BTW Sultan, you only make yourself look silly with those rants.

 

[VoodooAce]

Originally posted by Bob Sock
Sadly Americans have the leadership they deserve, a semi literate moron.
We all know that that the US of A are currently the biggest bullies on the block and that the only hope of this ending is from within.
I can only have hope that Bushs leadership will prove to be rock bottom and the beginning of the end for this monstrosity, clearly an affront to all educated and cultured people.
oh btw I'm a non American and I voted no, gotta love that American Democracy, you can vote for candidate 1 or 2 they're both the same but thats all the choice you get.

I wouldn't say the Dumbya is semi-literate.

I think its clear that his father read plenty of 'Dick and Jane' books to him. Of course, the lessons were interupted for four years while he was prez.....

BTW, AofA, you only make yourself look silly defending a moron like Bush.

Moderator Action: Two weeks, for you smart guy.
I have let you dudes spew this crap enough, now it's time to act.

AoA
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[puglover]

American Yes! Hooray for the elephant!

 

[onejayhawk]

Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash


Finally, he may be a bumbling speaker and an utterly unlogical thinker, but he and his cronies have proved to be excellent schemers.

That is true. He has a talent for finding truly exceptional people.

(Aside: Where have all the black commentators been concerning Powell and Rice? Having found nothing to criticize, have they chosen to say nothing, rather than support the opposite party?)

With or without a friendly Congress, he came into the office with at least as questionable an authority as a Carter, but I can't think of too many things he has putsched for that he hasn't been given by our lawmakers.

I think that is called being capable. Politically speaking at any rate.

J

 

[Sultan Bhargash]

onejayhawk sez:

(Aside: Where have all the black commentators been concerning Powell and Rice? Having found nothing to criticize, have they chosen to say nothing, rather than support the opposite party?)

This is a thread in itself, one I dare you to open. Drifting offtopic I will adress this briefly. Powell and Rice are an interesting conundrum for the "common wisdom" of the Democratic Party/ black politics, and perhaps the best chance the Republicans have for demonstrating the superiority of their views. The Republicans when they address race issues claim that "affirmative action" is actually a crutch for blacks, and that the best person for the job should be the one who gets the job. And with Powell and Rice they put their money where their mouth is. Powell is doing an excellent job, always has all the way. I have reservations about Sister Rice because of her career history (every bit as distressing as Bush or Cheney's) and because she was the National Security Advisor at the time when Security Went to Hell (and in my conspiracy theory days I always had a nagging suspicion she was to be the "fall gal" if the administration took too much heat for letting 3,000 Americans get killed inside their own borders).

Now never mind that if you read Colon Powell's book(s) he comes across as a fairly liberal minded (fair minded) guy. He is a Republican, he refused to associate with the inter-Bush Clinton White House, and that makes him dangerous to any politicians still trying to win votes thru the "a brother can't make it in this country" rhetoric. This is the reason why he isn't talked about, although to be fair, I didn't hear too many black or white commentators talking about Madeliene Allbright either... the focus is on the President most of the time, as it is in this thread... so now back to the show...

 

[Archbob]

American Citizen--No.

His gunpoint diplomacy isn't too popular in world diplomacy.

 

[onejayhawk]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel Lord
American Citizen--No.

His gunpoint diplomacy isn't too popular in world diplomacy.

That is an interesting turn of phrase. You look at the numbers and find that Clinton is the one who ordered troops into action all over the place, and, here is the gun boat part, liked to stand off in the distance and shoot missiles.

J

 

[Portuguese]

Originally posted by onejayhawk


That is an interesting turn of phrase. You look at the numbers and find that Clinton is the one who ordered troops into action all over the place, and, here is the gun boat part, liked to stand off in the distance and shoot missiles.

J

Clinton is popular outside. Bush IS NOT.

Why would that be?!?

 

[Toasty]

Originally posted by onejayhawk


That is an interesting turn of phrase. You look at the numbers and find that Clinton is the one who ordered troops into action all over the place, and, here is the gun boat part, liked to stand off in the distance and shoot missiles.

J

The difference is whether people found his actions "suitable." World opinion seems to be still relatively against war in Iraq, and after Afghanistan, he has a "gunpoint diplomacy" record. Why? Well, considering he's only been in office for under two years as opposed to Clinton's EIGHT...