C3C PBEM : "Zama2" - Rise of Rome scenario-based PBEM

I just played the last turn. I killed a few things. I killed a galley, a legion and a garrison near Croton. I killed a garrison near Masilla. I killed a legion near Olbia, and lost 2 elephants there.
The great Hannibal is on the loose.
 
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The future of Rome hangs in the balance as now its citizens in Aleria mutiny and join the Carthaginians. We are being attacked on all fronts. Town criers call the Romans to arms but shutters are pulled closed and doors barred. Many citizens are fleeing the cities to take refuge in the hills. The Goths threaten another northern city. The Carths approach from the south and the north.

The inept limp wristed Ceasar more interested in fiddling ... prompts many to ask should this scenario be renamed "the Fall of Rome" ?

The above deposition really annoys me because I had just about finished a damn temple and then this happens.
 
I just played the turn 150 BC and sent it to Justus II

Considerable pitched battle against Hannibal. Otherwise the Barbarians are still annoying me.

This is more like the rise of Goths than Rome. :crazyeye:


WarningU2
 
Well, I am getting married in 2 weeks. At that time, I will be unavailible starting in ~10 days and lasting for another 10 after that.
Sorry that I forgot to mention that sooner.
 
Congratulations.

If you can make it through the wedding plans successfully without wanting to yank the head off your beloved ... you're way ahead.

Well I guess we take a hiatus while Romeothemonk gives up his monkhood :mischief: So what actual date do you think we'll be able to resume ?
 
I will be unavailible starting on the 8th fo May and will be availible again starting on the 20th of May.
If you want/need more details I have them in a thread on another site, which is devoted to civ3 PBEM. Just follow the links.
Starting down the Rabbit hole
The other site of course has to be up, which it has had problems with recently.
 
Congrats Justus on the staying married part. Getting married is relatively easy, staying married is much tougher.
In battle news, I signed peace with Egypt, who was on the border of getting annoying.
I took Massila in Gaul with no losses. The Roman Northlands are looking a wee bit weak at the moment.
In the South, Croton is now wallless.
In the homefront, I have built my first water delivery device, and the people are happy and flocking to my cities.
 
Another Game update. I have started to squeeze the Romans on 2 sides by assualting their holdings in Gual, along with my Ally the Goths.
My forces in the Boot are waiting for Hannibal to heal before they resume their massive offense.
Help Wanted: Strong back weak minded people wanted to help shovel elephant dung near Croton. Currently, care is required for more than 8 elephants, and the number of elephants is expected to grow daily. Competitive wages, no health coverage. Perfect for a summer job.
 
Well ...

Roman cowards are running around from city to city not knowing where to hide. Thus no battles today.


Aside -

Its kinda depressing watching the slow demise of each city to the evil doers. Celts and Carths are in cahoots attacking my Northern cities. Goths are having a rest but it's just a question of time. I don't know if my remaining cities can produce units quick enough to fend off the hordes. Rise of Rome my ass :cry:

Has anyone ever played Rome so pathetically in this game ? Oh and don't worry I'm not about to throw in the towel ... I'll play to the brutal end
 
A truly epic battle at Susa, where Phyrrus and his Army, backed by waves of Heavy Cav, assaulted a series of Numidian Mercenaries. After losing 3 squadrons of cavalry and half his army, and even after killing 7 Mercenary companies and some spearmen, a lone Mercenary, down to their last ounce of energy, remains in possession of the city!! He taunts my exhausted cavalry, threatening them with dire consequences to come....
 
WarningU2 said:
Has anyone ever played Rome so pathetically in this game ? Oh and don't worry I'm not about to throw in the towel ... I'll play to the brutal end[/I]
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You are not playing this pathetically. You just are overmatched. I have a ton of experience with this map, and am playing some of the best civ of my life. I am a very good civ player, (without trying to brag, I can beat diety regularly, and Demi-god with near every start)
Here is an example of a game where Carthage dominated
Akots rampage
In my mind Akots is one of the top 4 civ players in the world. He has taken on some of the best from everywhere and beaten them soundly.
I am using his strategy on this map. Do not feel bad, I am using all sorts of tricks and strats that most of the best players in the world developed for this map as Carthage.
If you search through the CFC Sucessions games, you can find some games as RoR. These contained some very detailed strats for everyone.
 
ok I feel slightly better. I had no idea about the superior caliber of players I was playing with. :cool: Lucky me that I can know that I am being beaten with skill rather than luck :)

I've been playing CIV since it was a DOS program. CIVII then MPGE The last time I played this scenario at any length (prior to the last two PBEM games) was when I participated in the testing of CIV III - PTW. We actually never finished a game due to CTD. Over in CIV3Players (the ladder) I could never talk anyone to play this scenario.

There would be some folks over at CIV3Players that would take umbrage with best CIV player comments :mischief: ... have you ever tried real time multi-play ? Ladder play is a real cut throat game but I'm sure you'd excel at it. Anyway I may have some tricks up my sleeve. At one point I thought I was getting the best of you ... stupid me :(
 
WarningU2 said:
There would be some folks over at CIV3Players that would take umbrage with best CIV player comments :mischief: ... have you ever tried real time multi-play ? Ladder play is a real cut throat game but I'm sure you'd excel at it. Anyway I may have some tricks up my sleeve. At one point I thought I was getting the best of you ... stupid me :(
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I have seen spoilers of Akots playing some of the guys from civ3players, apoyton and your ladder. No offense, but your guy's ladder and spoilers thereof, there is often early archer/warrior rush. The game is decided very quickly. This is not really civ, as it is really easy to beat with the pattened Handy900 Diety turtle. This was developed in AwD and is really an awesome technique.
On the getting the best of me, I know/knew that you would have the early advantage. I tried my best to lure you in, to try and overextend. (I got this trick from the RBCiv epic, and also from PBEM's on CDZ.) Now my goal is to just play solid, and use overwhelming weight to drag you down.
Justus II was one of the players that helped me become who I am today, and even captained me in an RBCiv epic.
For more fun, and extended learning activities in PBEM games I would heavily recommend joining CDZ.
This game has been fun, and believe me you are a worthy opponent. I have just found Rome to be overmatched in this conquest.
 
I agree about CIV3Players not being CIV as you know it. Its a different type of game. Don't write off all the players as not being CIV profficient - that would be a mistake. I occassionally play a game but got tired of the rush type play and started playing more PBEM recently. Suits my schedule a lot better too. Ok I have to ask
pattened Handy900 Diety turtle
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what the heck is that ?

I realized too late that I was over extended and attacking celts was a mistake. It would appear you need to concentrate your forces quickly on Carth rather than spread out and try to develope the north too soon. Oh Well live and learn.
 
This has certainly been an enjoyable and challenging game, I wouldn't sell anyone short here. But familiarity certainly has it's advantages, I have played through this scenario 5 times now, either on Diety or now w/PBEM, and it really helps to know the map, know which wonders to prebuild for, what to research, etc. One of the things I like about the scenario is that each of the factions has some different advantages, it's not really balanced per se, but each has a different path to victory. The biggest drawback is that Heavy Cav are too dominant (like Cav in regular Civ), and can be gotten to very early. If you can get them ahead of your opponent, it's hard to counter. Also, effective diplomacy with the AIs is critical, both to avoid them ganging up on you, and also to keep your opponents occupied. That's one aspect that I don't think is addressed in real-time MP.

romeothemonk said:
Justus II was one of the players that helped me become who I am today, and even captained me in an RBCiv epic.
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Thank you for the kind compliment! I learned most of my abilities through RBCiv Epics and Succession games, from some greats like Sirian, Charis, T-Hawk and Arathorn. Also, I used to play the GOTM fairly regularly before Conquests came out, and I learned a lot from Cracker's strategy articles and SirPleb, who was not only an incredible player, but also took the time to write out his strategies and thinking so we could learn from it.

Akots is certainly up there now as well, I have had the fortune of playing with him on several succession games, and against him in a PBEM. He was one of the players I would measure my progress against in GOTM, he was consistently on the leader board there as well. Unfortunately, with my new job, my Civ time is almost non-existent, and I am only continuing this PBEM (and another one that shows up every 3 days or so) to finish them. I hope to get more active in Civ again someday, probably when cIV comes out! :crazyeye:
 
WarningU2 said:
Ok I have to ask what the heck is that ?

I realized too late that I was over extended and attacking celts was a mistake. It would appear you need to concentrate your forces quickly on Carth rather than spread out and try to develope the north too soon. Oh Well live and learn.
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The Handy 900 Diety turtle is a strategy that is developed from the Grumpy old Men of Always war, an ongoing Sucession game series at CFC. (Just go to SG forum and look for them, there are around 30 of them all told).
Actually based on my experience as Rome, you should immeadiately ignore the Carthaginians, and whoop the Celts for 5-10 turns. I can normally take all but 1 of their cities very early, then they are a non-factor. Having a human Carthage probably would change that, but I have still found it to work in the 1 RoR PBEM that did die on me ~30 turns in as Carthage was getting hammered pretty bad, and suddenly couldn't call the Celts in for support.
I am not dissing the ladder on your guy's main site, I am expressing a preference for longer, industrial age type games.
Actually, almost all my civ now is Rise and Rule mod, and I am looking for a PBEM opponenet or two for that. (It will have to wait for a bit with the wedding and all, but I love RaR).
No disrespect to anyone, this is a very hardfought, and very well played on all fronts. In my opinion, Greece then Carthage, then Persia then Rome is the strength of the nations in this scenario.
Plus Justus and I were working together on our research plans, which effectively doubled our research rates. This is a key strategy in multiplayer PBEM. I learned this the hard way recently in CDZ. I was doing 4 turn research for most of the ancient age, and the entire middle ages, and I then got tag-teamed by guys that were doing 6 turn research each, but sharing techs. I lost, as they had cavs in abundance before I got to cavs or rifles.
 
I agree with the part where cavs are two strong:P. Finally got some defense up and then these super units come and rip through my land anyhow. Also makes me feel a little better knowing that i was bested by players who have developed some strategy with this game. This being the first time playing Persia i am pretty sure i made some mistakes along the way. Specially not knowing the excat technology path to follow.

Maybe sometime in the future when I've caught the hang of the PBEM's and this scenario in specific i'll be able to manage a little better:(

All in all it's been fun. Even though if at some instances i think i got totally screwed with the RNG. But, hey what can you do:P

Side note, save will b played by tomorrow. I'll b back home on Monday, incase save moves fast this time
 
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