C3C Scenario/Mod: Rising Sun

[silver 2039]

Alright I'll play as England again with same variant.

 

[Pawel]

Sounds great!

 

[silver 2039]

Turn 1

Trade Astronomy for Banking with Germany
Do the usual stuff I did in the other turns.

Turn 2

Trade Communications with France
Buy Chemistry from Poland
Sell communications to Germany
Buy from Russia
Sell techs to China for gpt and luxuries
Sell techs to India for gpt

The Ottomans have a large amount of gold and I am happy to sell to them.
Buy wines from Spain
Sell to other people buy from other people etc… lots of trades
China, Korea, Persia, India, are all technologically backward which is accurate. They are also equivalent to each other which is good.

Sell Persia Theology for Spice, incense, gold, and gpt

I have traded with everyone except the poor people the Arabs and Mongols and Japanese who had nothing to trade. I am now making 91 gold per/turn at max research rate.
With 1604 in my coffers. I am researching Constitutional Monarchy

Turn 3

Surprisingly I am not the most advanced in the world. I am 8th

I beging to explore the Northern sea with my caravel carrying a knight.

Turn 4

Exploring. The minute I can cross the ocean I will colonize the New World

Australia has been completely explored.

Turn 5
I found embassies with everyone in the world. I notice the capital of Spain is Rome?

Turn 12

I destroy barab camps in Australia

Turn 14

Found York in Australia
I attempt to found a city on the ice island in the north thewn remeber that I can't on tundra. Doh!

 

[silver 2039]

Turn 15

Destroy another barb camp
Buy contact with Americans
Contact with Iroquis.
The only people missing are Zulu

Turn 17

England is developing nicely

Send a caravel with musket man, knight and settler to colonize Africa.

Turn 18

Found Alice Springs in Australia

Turn 21

Contact with Zulu

I notice Spain is doing well. They may be a threat.
Portugal is also doing well.

Turn 22

I notice a nice place to found a city at the tip of North Africa but there are Spanish troops there as well as 2 outposts and a colony.

Turn 23
Found Hastings in Australia

Turn 24

Constitutional monarchy has been researched at 1569.I research navigation now.

I continue sailing around Africa trying to fins a place to colonize. Probably won’t get any decent place other than jungle.

Turn 27

ARGH!!!! I run into the Portuguese colony of Sao Tome which prevents me from colonizing there. I have an urge for a colonial war…

Turn 28

I finally find a decent place to colonize and land there

Turn 29

Canterbury is founded. I think I may use it as a base to invade the Zulu and take South Africa. They are very backward.

 

[silver 2039]

Turn 30

Coventry is founded in Australia

Turn 37

Warwick founded in Australia

Turn 38

Navigation researched in 1611. Economics now.

Barbs in Australia kill my explorer

Turn 40

Canberra founded in Autralia

Turn 41

One of my Caravels with a settler, Musket man, and guard Infantry sets off to the New World to found a colony.

Turn 45

I land in the New World and meet El Cid

Turn 46

St. Lawrence is founded

Turn 48

I now have a map of the world.

Turn 50

Sydney founded. My Pikeman are upgraded.

Turn 52

Finished Economics start Metallurgy

Turn 56

Dover founded in Australia

Turn 58

Brighton founded in Quebec

Turn 60

Norwich founded in Australia

 

[silver 2039]

Turn 61

It appears the Portuguese and Inca are at war. The Portuguese hold Macchu Picchu

Turn 62

Begin Military Tradition

Turn 65

Halifax founded, New England founded.

BTW the French have founded no new cities at all.

Turn 66

Birmingham founded in Australia

Turn 67

I discover I am falling behind in techs most of Europe and even China are up by one or 2 techs.

Turn 74

Discover military tradition

I sell Military Tradition and catch up in tech. I begin to build up my army.

I notice Poland is very rich it seems to be doing well.

Turn 75

I have a Ship-of-the Line now. Hhaha. Time to invade someone…but who….

Turn 77

The Zulu attempt the colonize the southern bit of Australia. I declare war on the and attack with a knight. I guess this has been decided.

My Knight wins and I get some slaves. My colony must be protected.

I send my knight from the colony to scout Zulu territory and pillage

Turn 78

There is a massive barbarian uprising near Brighton

I found Richmond in Australian

My Knight attacks and kills an Impi defending an ivory colony. I am sending additional forces from England.

The Spanish are in the industrial age! And so are the Polish!!

I trade Magnetism for Military tradition from Portugal and enter the industrial Age.

Turn 79

Indians are in the Industrial age!
I start research on nationalism. It is the year 1710.
I am trying to get enough forces to invade the Zulu.

Turn 80

China threthans us for Magnetism. I refuse. He shuts up.

My knight pillages outside Bapedi.

Turn 81

I sign peace with Zulu in exchange for 3 cities. Well that was easy. I decide to invade France instead.

Turn 82

I land

Turn 83
Paris is bombarded by ships and cannons.

Turn 84

I attack Paris but am unable to take it due to large amounts of Musketeers. I regroup and wait for further reinforcements.

Turn 85

Once again I fail to take the city. The French manage to hang on.



Turn 86

Finially I manage to take the city. And just barely.
Thats pretty much the end of the French then.


BTW it may just be me. But industry is'nt very good. By that I mean it takes up to 6 turns to build a cavalry in London and it really should'nt take that long. I had the similar problem with japan. Poor production.

 

[Mprilla]

You have made a great mod and clearly did a lot of work in it. Some suggestions though and forgive me it I ask for something you have already done but I thought wasn't done.

Please add the following units.
Imperial calvary
POW
F4F wildcat
Household calvary
cuirassier
Lifeguard
Janissary
Medium tank
hussar
valigiur
redcoat
jaeger
fusilier
grenzer
senka
soldato
Elizabethan sea dog
treasure
migrant
raider
marauder
roman garrison
pillager
dromon
javelin thrower
silent hunter
acoli
great acoli
quietzatl bowman


Please add the following buildings
Naval academy
history of WW II
archives
local magistrate
treasury
Jesuit cathedral
imperial decree
trace illalune
navigation school
spice factory
tobacco plantation
Dias's voyage
trapper camp
sugar plantation
gem mine
temple of kukahan
artist guild
Luther's 95 thesis
gold mine
silver mine
fishing dock
palace of the Inca
temple of the moon
tezcalbos war
palace of the mask
Stella
ball court
tomb
Justinian's leadership
Hadrian's wall
St peters basilica
the scourge of god
burial mound
city park
amphitheater
worker housing
alchemists shop
bacchanalia
infirmary
sheriffs office
krak des chevalier
holy roman empire
Norse saga's
hansiatic league
Notre Dame
Domesday book
magna Carta
monastery
manor
mill you know the windmill?
blacksmith
church
joust arena
public school

Change German Infantry to Weirmacht
P-51, M-26 perishing and panther aren't used why they should be used?
Change Russian fighter to MiG 3
Change Russian tank to T-34
Change German Heavy tank to Tiger II
Change English fighter to spitfire
Change Japanese fighter to Zero
The King unit is silly please remove it. Elvis isn't that important.
UAV should have an upgrade to a unit that can attack the predator is armed today.
Destroyer should transport 1 unit
Attack sub should transport 1 unit
National Guard is silly they get the same training and the same equipment as the rest of the US army so drop this unit.
German fighter should be either ME 109 or FW 190 take your pick
Heavy bomber should be available to more nations. The Germans, Japanese and Russians did make a few heavy bombers during WW II and would have made more had the war went differently and in any case the Russians produced an exact copy of the B-29 after the war so they could carry the large atomic bombs at that time.
Make the Japanese Carrier simply Axis carrier and make it available to Italy and Germany they shared technology and Italy did make a carrier Germany was making one but didn't finish it.
Early jet make the American one P-80 or F-86 the Russian one MiG 15, German one Me 262, English one Gloster Meteor Japanese one Kikka Italian one CC-2.
Kamikaze make a version available to the Germans called the Leonidas squadrons they did use them to ram our bombers once and might have done so more if given the chance.
Make a Kamikaze or suicide bomber available to the Arabs for obvious reasons.
Longship should be available to the Russians they got their name the Russ because of Viking rulers way back when.
Change American fighter to P-38 Lightning.
Make light tank available earlier under a different tek it makes no sense to have it available when you do.
Change the name of Modern Carrier to Super Carrier that is what they are called by everyone.
Make Jet fighters for Russians and former soviet clients and Chinese MiG 29's
Make Jet fighters for French and french clients Mirages
Make war elephant available to Carthage
Make the fire cannon available to everyone and available under gunpowder upgradeable to cannon that makes sense.
Change the name of American Marine to USMC.
Fire Catapult should be available to everyone and be an upgrade to the normal catapult.
Also make the entire catapult line more available and upgradeable.

Please add the following resources and make them required for units or buildings if you should.
Silver
salt
stone
olive oil
jade
feathers
lamas
cocoa
corn/maize
tobacco
sheep
sake

Please add more technologies as well from the various Conquests mods if you can.

You have made a great mod but if you add even half of my suggestion is will be the best mod ever.

 

[Mprilla]

Oh you should also have a fighter/bomber during the WW II era. USA should have P-47 Thunderbolt, Russia should have Ilyushin Il-2 "Shturmovik", Germany should have Junkers Ju-87 "Stuka", England should have DeHavilland "Mosquito", Japan should have Mitsubishi Ki-51 "Sonia". You can then make these fighter/bombers upgrade to the stealth fighter.

 

[Pawel]

Mprilla: I am glad you liked the scenario, and thanks for your suggestios. Unfortunately it is not feasible to add so many units at this stage, but thank you all the same.

silver 2039: It was exciting to see the development of your game! Some things went the way I hoped, some were a little surprising. I immediately fixed the Spanish capital, and I will adjust the time line. It is good that Portugal is in good shape. I will try to figure out what they do in Macchu Picchu! It is funny that Poland, the other newcomer, is also doing so well. They are don't build settlers and they have low aggression, so in principle they are confined to their four cities. So maybe they had nothing better to do than to build lots of improvements! I am also surprised that the French did not expand either in North America or South-East Asia. But it was really fun to see that El Cid had crossed the Atlantic! I should perhaps name a few more units so one can see where the AI sends them! From the world map it seems that the global situation is reasonably well balanced. It would be great to see a few more turns!

As for production, I don't really know what to do about that. I guess London isn't really the best city for that, being surrounded by lots of water. Maybe things will get better once you start building factories?

 

[Pawel]

OK, here is Beta5 with a couple of small fixes. Don't start over!

 

[Pawel]

Here is Beta6 with a few more minor updates. For instance, India now has an additional city (Maldives), and some Polish buildings have been removed.

EDIT: The beta 6 has been included with version 2.7.

 

[Lachlan]

I'm interested by more of things in your mod as suggested by Mprilla ...

 

[Pawel]

I agree that it is always nice to have more units and wonders, but there is a price to pay in terms of scenario size. Right now the scenario is very size effective, since it cleverly uses all the Conquests graphics that is already on your hard disk. Also, given the limited number of parameters that can be varied, it is not trivial to introduce significant differences between units and find meaningful functions for wonders and buildings. In the same way, additional luxuries can make the game too easy. Most important, however, is that what is really nice about these scenarios is that they are well balanced. Even assuming that I would incorporate these changes, it is likely that they playability of the scenarios would actually be worse - or at least require lots of development and re-balancing. And I simply don't have the time... However, if anyone want to use the mod to play around with such additions, you are most welcome to it.

I also disagree with some of the suggested changes. Most importantly, each unit represents something the size of a corps or army. Assigning it a name based on a piece of hardware is just silly. Also, I try to keep a uniformity of names, calling American marines USMC, or German infantry the Wehrmacht (which, by the way, referred to the army as a whole and not to infantry in particular), would break this pattern. The artillery has two parallell upgrade paths - one Eastern - designed in a somewhat different way. There is thus a reason why they don't mix. Subs transporting units is not very realistic either, considering that by that time each represents some 50-100k men with lots of heavy equipment. Historcally, it is true that the first Russian (not Muscovite) dynasty was founded by Swedish Vikings, but they never acquired the ability to build Viking ships, so why should they have them in the game? On closer scrutiny some of these changes are not entirely trivial. On the other hand, it would be fun to give Elephants to Hannibal!

I would, however, be happy to discuss these things, and may make some limited changes. But right now I am mostly interested in some feedback about game play for the 1500 AD scenario.

 

[Pawel]

Considering the successful testing so far, I decided to include the beta 6 in version 2.7 of the scenario, which has now been released. I would still, however, be very interested in feedback that can be incorporated in later releases. The other three scenarios have been updates slightly, for instance having Light Cavalry added.

 

[silver 2039]

Celebrations are held throughout England as mainland France is conquered. Our colonies are prospering as well and new colonies continue to be founded.

Several trade embargos are singed against us by the remnants of the French but it is clear French powers is broken.

The French beg us for peace but it is decided that they should be wiped from the face of the earth. We prepare for invasion. Our ships are loaded with Cavalry, Cannons, and Guard Infantry.

We will strike St.Pierre with this force another one if being prepared to strike Vietnam from Australia.

Port Moresby is founded in Papua New Guinea

Our invasion force sets sail. It is large more than enough to crush the French. Perhaps it will subdue the arrogant American breakaway colonies as well.

 

[silver 2039]

Our invasion force has landed the French are subjected to blockade and bombardment

In the meanwhile we have discovered Nationalism and our people are up in arms against the French. Some mass upgrades are carried out.

After a short round of bombardment St.Pierre falls easily.

Our forces are transported further south to deal with the Americans. America will be reincorporated again. In France street riots occur in Paris.

Since we have bigger fish to fry we allow the French to exist in Vietnam but impose harsh terms on them.

We discover that India is richer than we are which motivates us towards Industrialization so we can field larger forces.

Persia is at war with the Arabs as we notice Alexandria has fallen. Technologies have been sold to many nations and their gold fills our coffers.

 

[Pawel]

Rule Brittania! I see the seven year's war is over!

I like the slight understatement of your trade advisor!

Cool screens too! The new units look nice.

 

[silver 2039]

Our forces mass outside Philadelphia and Atlanta. Additional troops are being brought from England.

The American people of Atlanta realizing the folly of their ways overthrow the American rebels and embrace the English!

This is excellent news as the northern front is closed and our forces can be concentrated in the south.

Our undefended Cannon is destroyed by an Iroquois spy…. They’ll pay for that later…

China for whatever reason declares war on the Spanish. We continue massing troops.

Scandinavia and China sign alliance against Spanish that is good for me as Spain is major competition.

We are almost ready for war to win back America. Our time is near…

WAR!!!!!!!!

Cavalry from St. Lawrence marches on Philadelphia. American Musket men are cut down by our superior forces. The city falls and is renamed Toronto.

The larger group of our forces from New England advances toward New York. The Duke of York himself is on the ship that bombards the city. He is eager to get his city back.

 

[silver 2039]

The Americans make no counterattacks. According to my military advisor we outnumber them greatly. Bombardment against New York fails and our cavalry are forced to attack without artillery support.

Small casualties are sustained but our technological superiority wins the day.

The Duke of York is overjoyed. I decide to push with my remaining Cavalry to Washington. This proves disaterous asour attack grinds to a halt at the gates of the city as our Cavalry are gunned down and forced to retreat. Only 2 survive badly damaged. I decide to regroup at New York before pushing any further.

However I do get the conslation the American defenders are badly battered as well. Also I decide to build more Cavalry and Rifleman instead of Gurad Infantry as this combo is more effective. Guard infantry does look more British though...

 

[silver 2039]

An American counterattack wipe out our Cavalry outside the city…. Ouch…

To make matters worse New York riots. Fortunately Industrialization is discovered this will help build our strength.

For now I decide to hold off on the attack against Washington until reinforcements arrive.

Cavalry from Toronto launch an attack against Boston. The Americans inflict significant casualties but the city falls.

This last action has depleted my forces. I can push no further till reinforcements arrive. Due to poor production capacity (It will take time to build factories) That might be a while.