Can we be friends?
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JaGarLo
Settler
Yes, it is possible...
In a couple games I was a friend of Mongolia about 95% of the time (sometimes they were guarded, but they turned back to friendly). Being a merciless destroyer of civilizations make Mongolians to be on your side...?
In a couple games I was a friend of Mongolia about 95% of the time (sometimes they were guarded, but they turned back to friendly). Being a merciless destroyer of civilizations make Mongolians to be on your side...?
It's possible when you have friendly Civs, but if the Civ leader has 'backstabbing' rating high in it's flavors (like Oda, Alex, Monty) they will probably attack you unless you have a strong, up-to-date army.
But with leaders like Kamehameha and Wu Zetian it's no problem, there are trusty ones too. Of course if you go on city-state conquering spree or make friends with tyrants even the more mellow ones might ally against you..
With the upcoming expansion on spring, the religion and ideologies of Civs are said to be big modifiers with some Civs, I like that.
But with leaders like Kamehameha and Wu Zetian it's no problem, there are trusty ones too. Of course if you go on city-state conquering spree or make friends with tyrants even the more mellow ones might ally against you..
With the upcoming expansion on spring, the religion and ideologies of Civs are said to be big modifiers with some Civs, I like that.
Have diplomatic rating of friendly with a civ for the rest of the game:
Yup; and you don't need to make DOFs to do that.
In fact if you are trying to maximize number of friendly relations DOFs hurt as it causes those civs which don't like that that civ will now dislike you for making a DOF with them.
That list will include at a minimum those civs neighbors.
The main things are your closest neighbors will always hate you (but sometimes try "pretend friendship") and to avoid DOWs against everyone, particularly city states as almost every civ in the game hates that happening.
Wonder envy appears limited to those who were building that wonder at the time.
City state envy mostly appears to be limited to those where the city state is closer to their capital than yours.
Land envy mostly appears to be limited to your neighbors.
Yup; and you don't need to make DOFs to do that.
In fact if you are trying to maximize number of friendly relations DOFs hurt as it causes those civs which don't like that that civ will now dislike you for making a DOF with them.
That list will include at a minimum those civs neighbors.
The main things are your closest neighbors will always hate you (but sometimes try "pretend friendship") and to avoid DOWs against everyone, particularly city states as almost every civ in the game hates that happening.
Wonder envy appears limited to those who were building that wonder at the time.
City state envy mostly appears to be limited to those where the city state is closer to their capital than yours.
Land envy mostly appears to be limited to your neighbors.
Lots of questions. I feel like there should be an article in the War Academy regarding AI personalities, but I don't play the diplomacy game enough. Most of my games result in either every AI loving or hating me, not much in between.
95% of the time, you get backstabbed because they covet your land or you DoFed with someone they are hostile towards. The latter is easy to avoid. Alex and Montezuma are the most likely to backstab for the former. Wu and Catherine are probably the safest to sign RAs with in my experience, alongside Gandhi, Darius, and Genghis (sounds strange, but it seems like if he doesn't covet your lands at the beginning, he'll stay peaceful with you all game). Keep trading with them, sometimes I just give them 10 gold to let them know I still care.
Don't declare war with your friend unless they expressly ask you to. It gives you +diplo to be at war against a common enemy, but not much, and if you're already in a DoF that won't help you anyway. DoWing more than once will hurt your diplo overall with every civ.
If you've made a DOF with someone and want to ensure that one civ stay friendly. (My previous post was just about friendly relations in general):
Don't settle anywhere your DOF partner.
If for some reason they DOW the player that is right between your empires; DON'T help in that war; a successful war would cause you to now become neighbors.
(Note this is separate from agreeing to the war if they ask you to; if your friend asks you to, you should probably select the give me time to prepare and then when told its time follow thru with the war declaration but not actually do anything.)
You'd also want to refrain in that case from buying out their city states.
I'm not aware of a way to tell if a given civ is in the process of building a world wonder, so no way to know if your friend will care if you build a given wonder or not.
Like everyone else, your friend won't like it if you DOW a city state (or DOW uninvited)
You can further boost relations with that one civ by denouncing whatever civs that your friend has denounced / is at war with.
Don't settle anywhere your DOF partner.
If for some reason they DOW the player that is right between your empires; DON'T help in that war; a successful war would cause you to now become neighbors.
(Note this is separate from agreeing to the war if they ask you to; if your friend asks you to, you should probably select the give me time to prepare and then when told its time follow thru with the war declaration but not actually do anything.)
You'd also want to refrain in that case from buying out their city states.
I'm not aware of a way to tell if a given civ is in the process of building a world wonder, so no way to know if your friend will care if you build a given wonder or not.
Like everyone else, your friend won't like it if you DOW a city state (or DOW uninvited)
You can further boost relations with that one civ by denouncing whatever civs that your friend has denounced / is at war with.
Heerlo
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One time I went through a long game(don't think I finished it, though)and I don't think I ever had any DOFs and no one ever dow'd me.I think alot of people were friendly too.
Even the Ottomans, who I had been fighting to protect city states, were still pretty friendly to me when I made peace with them.
Even the Ottomans, who I had been fighting to protect city states, were still pretty friendly to me when I made peace with them.
I don't actually think that dof's hurt you or at the very most they hurt you an insignificant amount. If you are going for a peaceful strategy.
Mass dof is good because its a mass circle jerk of every one telling you they are happy you a friends with player x.
I've played several games on immortal+ difficulty where I had 0-1 players dow me for the first 200 turns.
blackcatatonic
Queen of Meme
Generally when Wu Zetian is my neighbour, I can count on years of peace. She has only ever declared war on me once - in my last game (as Greece, King, Continents). My other neighbour, Catherine, had just declared as well so I can only assume she paid Wu to join in.
Women are not to be trusted in CIV, it seems!
Women are not to be trusted in CIV, it seems!
LegionSteve
Motörhead
Sometimes you can stay friends for a whole game (unless trying to win by conquest obviously). If you want a peaceful game you can tweak the settings to make it more likely. Archipelago more likely to be peaceful, pangaea less likely. Fewer civs more peaceful, more civs less peaceful (more competitition for land). There are no guarantees though, sometimes it all goes wrong.
I posted this explanation of how I approach diplomacy in another thread:
I posted this explanation of how I approach diplomacy in another thread:
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headcase
Limit 1 Facepalm Per Turn
In VEM I constantly renewed DoFs with 4 out of 5 other civs from ~turn 100 to ~turn 300, so far. Even when they are at war with each other they're fine with me. My military has floated between 5th and 3rd.
However, Siam is more than an era ahead of me (1700 pts to my 1000) so at this point he's probably just happy because he's close to building the Apollo Project or UN. (Well, if the AI ever took such things into consideration).
The friends are:
- Siam
- Caesar (weak)
- Gandhi
- Catherine (other side of Pangaea)
Enemy:
- Khan (took all cities except the last, taken by Gandhi)
I did favours for Caesar and Gandhi (think it was a lux in both cases).
However, Siam is more than an era ahead of me (1700 pts to my 1000) so at this point he's probably just happy because he's close to building the Apollo Project or UN. (Well, if the AI ever took such things into consideration).
The friends are:
- Siam
- Caesar (weak)
- Gandhi
- Catherine (other side of Pangaea)
Enemy:
- Khan (took all cities except the last, taken by Gandhi)
I did favours for Caesar and Gandhi (think it was a lux in both cases).
