Can you believe this?

[MrMestopheles]

I think that you should be trying to support him in your games together, instead of pulling "cute tricks" to try and beat him, such as cultural pressure or forcing the Barbs on him.

Well I didn't so that on purpose. It just happened. Next game I'm going on emperor.

It seems he isn't really caring for trade at all as he usually doesn't open borders to others. Why should he care for it as he is winning often enough without any trading.
Yes workers always are automated.

I got to tell him to build some catapults for his attacks. He keeps attacking without any and then is wondering why the longbowmen are still standing.
Yes next game I'm going to build him some catapults. ^^

Watching him play I realized in city builder window he's only clicking what the game is suggesting him to build. So the game plays him not the other way around.

 

[plasmacannon]

You said you have played a few multi-player games.
I'll tell you what a friend of mine and I do.
Usually one of us wants to try a new leader, the other chooses a leader that is roughly the opposite, so, the 1st can try to maximize that leader's benefits.
For example, If
Player 1, says, "I want to play a creative leader this game".
Player 2, chooses a CHA leader, and plans to build Stonehenge and get his culture pop that way.
Player 2, then decides, an IND leader would help me build SH faster, so, I'll take DeGaulle[CHA/IND]. I will try for The Great Lighthouse next.
Player 1 says, Great! Then, I will take FIN as my other trait, so, I won't need to go for TGL. That makes me WvO [CRE/FIN].

Usually, we figure out how we will be paying for everything, since, gold takes so long to work up the cottages, and the rest is easy.
Also, If one of us wants an early rush empire, the other doesn't choose Germany, and force the game to be a long one.
Two early Empires, two mid empires, or two late empires work well.

 

[TheDS]

Though someone already said it, let me reiterate: maybe he just wants to play a different sort of game than the one you think he should be playing.

Do you play on Deity all the time? There are people who do, some of whom look down on us a little bit for never venturing past Monarch. Should they? Is the way they're playing more "true" than the way you or I play?

Or should I be forcing you to build a Hammer Economy? Or a Water Economy? Or a Religious Economy? Should I be forced to build a Cottage Economy? A Specialist Economy?

This game can be played in many many ways. Let the guy play the way he wants.

ASK if he wants to play a normal-difficulty game (Noble) and offer to advise him WITHOUT playing it FOR him. I realize the temptation to get mad that he's doing something stupid and insist he needs to do something else and then the two of you get into a fight. Don't let your ego ruin your friendship. You can make suggestions, and explain his options, but don't take it personally when he ignores it. Only that way will you be able to train him. If it's even possible.

 

[Danelius90]

My cousin plays a bit... Differently too. Starts a game an worldbuilders another city, some barracks a billion great artists and a complementary tank. I think anyone would agree thats pretty lame

 

[Nick Carpathia]

You know how we nerds look down on ~*casual gamer gurlz*~ for using cheat codes in the Sims?

~*casual gamer guyz*~ do this as well.

Not everyone has the time commitment to read the CFC war academy and slog through dozens of games.

 

[Danelius90]

True. But using codes too much makes the game pointless. There are much more satisfying things to do... unless you have a low entertainment threshold...

 

[MrMestopheles]

Player 1, says, "I want to play a creative leader this game".
Player 2, chooses a CHA leader, and plans to build Stonehenge and get his culture pop that way.
Player 2, then decides, an IND leader would help me build SH faster, so, I'll take DeGaulle[CHA/IND]. I will try for The Great Lighthouse next.
Player 1 says, Great! Then, I will take FIN as my other trait, so, I won't need to go for TGL. That makes me WvO [CRE/FIN].

Haha that's quite funny. Sounds like you wouldn't be able to ever start the game. Looping civs up and down.

This game can be played in many many ways. Let the guy play the way he wants.

He improved in producing more workers now. Still autoimproving but enough of them.
But then:
He's collecting 6000 Gold with a tech rate of constantly 60 percent. I ask him what he does need all this gold for. He says for upgrading his units.
Then one of his 3 biggest towns is under attack and he chooses NOT to upgrade his longbowmen to grenadiers because he's still waiting for the riflemen.
So his town is taken over. He invested 1000 gold into 5 cavalry yet...

 

[MrMestopheles]

Oops quick reply.

Then there was this pirate ship which starved his capital and second city down 5 population before he decided to build a galeon to fight it.
Yes he built a galeon, not a frigate, because he said it would be enough. It wasn't then. *lol*

His smith burned down in his capital and he didn't want to invest 70 Gold of his 5000 to rebuild it, wondering about the unhappiness and low production some turns later. -_-

He prefers having his army standing in a town impridoned in other civs culture than making some open border treaty; being in a war and in need for his army.

He's putting his oxford and wallstreet into some highproduction no taxes/gold/science cities. I advice to put them into some other town and he says, all his cities are financial/scientific cities. (WTH) That doesn't even make sense. He's playing Frederic on world map and most of his towns are in Kasachstan, Middle Asia desert, Northern Russia tundra/ice.

I tell him open borders are good for trade and he says his towns are trading with themselves already and he got enough banks (in his ice/desert/forest/prairie towns).

 

[MackanGyver]

It might be that he stubbornly refuses to learn stuff since someone is telling him he should. We are everyone a bit childish about this. I could probably learn to play about Noble level if I wanted to, but I choose not to, since I want to play suboptimal (every building in every city, in the end at least). Oh, and I do not like the idea that the AI would get extra bonuses to research and such.

[EDIT] What I wanted to get at, before sidetracking my own thoughts, was that you should point out stuff, then step away for a few days, and let it sink in/overwhelm him. He will think about what you say, whether he wants or not, and slowly improve. Maybe never to the level you want, but still.

 

[Ganthan]

I'm starting to pick up some passive aggressiveness here from you. Instead of going like, "OMG, look at my flatmate's nooby Civ playing," Maybe you should just respect that he'll play the way he wants to play and if he asks for help improving, THEN you can give him tips. You wouldn't want to drive him away from the game altogether would you? I mean, I wouldn't go on a Wolfenstein forum to point out my older brother's bad playing to everyone like, "OMG, my bro isn't using his veil powers nearly enough and dying all the time. Look how nooby he is. Lol."

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Well that friend of yours is obviously foolish or stuborn( probably both). So I say when u have the chance to kick his ass(gamewise) than do so. Otherwise don't bother... And if u want to have realy positiv mind than think that he is playing so much better then for example your dog would have...is not that great? Lo u have no problems.

 

[jgroth1978]

Once he loses enough times, he'll change his strategies. That's how I learned. I mean, CFC has helped out a lot, but it was mostly from my own errors that I learned to play a better game. I hope to be inducted into the Noble's Club shortly.

But if he's having fun, why interfere? Anyone who listens to metal while civving has my vote.

 

[Dhoomstriker]

And if u want to have realy positiv mind than think that he is playing so much better then for example your dog would have...is not that great?

Wow, that is great! My dog is really talented with a computer and often successfully takes over my Civ games, so if that guy is playing better than my dog, he really has been improving!

MrMestopheles, I'm still waiting to hear the story about how you successfully built The Apostolic Palace and forced your friend into Opening Borders with several AI players...

 

[Danelius90]

I hope to be inducted into the Noble's Club shortly.

dude, come along now! Just subscibe to the threads, have a read and look out for the start of the next game

 

[MrMestopheles]

MrMestopheles, I'm still waiting to hear the story about how you successfully built The Apostolic Palace and forced your friend into Opening Borders with several AI players...

I bet he'd just veto/ignore the vote even if it would create massive angry faces amongst his cities. His economy would suffer even more and it would make him starting gifting cities/declaring war against world even earlier.

I mean, CFC has helped out a lot, but it was mostly from my own errors that I learned to play a better game.

He won't see any errors when continueing playing on settler. Thanks to my cultural invasion of his territory in our last game he seems to be looking more for his culture.

Anyway he's finally going to move out in 1-2 weeks.

 

[Danelius90]

Anyway he's finally going to move out in 1-2 weeks.

So you'll have a civ-noob-free environment to live in...

 

[Dhoomstriker]

I bet he'd just veto/ignore the vote

Ignoring the vote won't do anything harmful (I don't think that there is even an "ignore" option and voting "no" won't do much if you control most of the votes). He might not even figure out how to use the veto option.

create massive angry faces amongst his cities.

Even if he does veto such a vote, he'll only get angry faces in the City with the Apostolic Palace Religion in it... and since you will only spread it to one City and because he hates spreading Religions around, that'll only mean one of his Cities will be affected.

To be extra safe, you can send multiple Missionaries to that City of differing Religions... each additional Religion in the City will reduce the unhappiness caused from the vetoing of an Apostolic Palace resolution.

Anyway he's finally going to move out in 1-2 weeks.

Is his decision to move in any way related to your games of Civ 4 with him, perchance?

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Wow, that is great! My dog is really talented with a computer and often successfully takes over my Civ games, so if that guy is playing better than my dog, he really has been improving!

Unfortunately his friend is not playing better than your dog. Atleast I hope for you thats the case.

 

[MrMestopheles]

Is his decision to move in any way related to your games of Civ 4 with him, perchance?

Not at all. I just got injured in sports. Maybe I should fill the gap with some civ4 multiplayer session.

 

[MrMestopheles]

We had some other multiplayer session. I was playing on Emperor level, he on Settler. It seemed easier than single player emperor to me. He was second in score (after me) until someone got a vassal.
I was taking cities from Julius Caesar and he was leading some cooperative campaign with Ragnar against Tokugawa. I founded confucianism and we all were sharing that religion.
So far so good. Then I got aware that suddenly he had war against 3 civs and his score was sinking drastically. From former nearly 900 to 500. Then he was at war against every civ again...

I asked him if he would be thinking going to win like that and he answered, "who said he wanted to win this game". Then he told me "some people want to go to sleep" (it was 2 am).

I'm not going to play any multiplayer with such a moron again! We could easily have saved the game earlier, instead he ruined it with his horsehockey kind of playing again!

Btw the game was really pissing me of in the beginning:
Lost my first 2 warriors with first combat promotion to animals:
First was standing in forest and got eaten by a lion!!! Second by a bear.

Then after founding confucianism I was going for getting a great prophet. Had 90 percent probability for prophet, 10 for great merchant.
Got 2 great merchants...
Next with 60 percent probability for prophet a great scientist. The 4th great person was a prophet then (finally).