Can you instigate the AI into declaring war?
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You can, although it's a bit different. Renegotiate peace and attach a gold value to it. Of course, it's you declaring, not them.
Optional
Deity
Is this still on the subject of 'trying to piss them off'? Because this is perfectly safe; you can do it to friends and enemies alike, and they won't like you less for it.
No, hidden nationality is hidden nationality.
Globex
President Scorpio
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The AI won't go to war over privateer attacks but they do know that they're your ships and it will affect their attitude towards you. I've built large fleets of privateers and went out on raids on enemy ships. I thought that I would be completely protected from any consequences because of the "hidden nationality" but after a while, all of the AI started getting pissed at me for no reason.
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Deity
Well, you could be right. I know an AI nation can be very friendly to you, but sink your Privateers. Also they're not declaring war on you when they do that, so I always assumed they really don't know who you are.
If still your attitude goes down because of your Privateers, then I really don't know how they programmed this. I take no argument with you, Globex, but it seems inconsistant.
If still your attitude goes down because of your Privateers, then I really don't know how they programmed this. I take no argument with you, Globex, but it seems inconsistant.
capnvonbaron
Democratia gladii
Oh, trust me, nations get pissy at me after I break out the pirate ships. If the AI knows about one barbarian camp springing up halfway across the map, I think it knows who is launching privateers, especially since the AI never uses them.
And I'm pretty sure I've pissed off nations with the road-to-the-colony razing stunt before. Not to the point where they go to war, but they definitely go from 'polite' to 'annoyed' or worse.
And I'm pretty sure I've pissed off nations with the road-to-the-colony razing stunt before. Not to the point where they go to war, but they definitely go from 'polite' to 'annoyed' or worse.
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Deity
Yes, I believe you on the 'hidden nationality' thing. I found a thread that fully supports your opinion: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=284473. It appears 'hidden nationality' is not 'hidden nationality'. Firaxis has been misleading us with that. A poor job of them!
I never built many Privateers, and now I know this, I doubt whether I'll ever build another one. You could quite likely trick an AI into declaring war on you, but the shields would be much better used for something else.
I'm not yet convinced there can be a penalty for pillaging in neutral terrain, but I'll keep your comments in mind.
I never built many Privateers, and now I know this, I doubt whether I'll ever build another one. You could quite likely trick an AI into declaring war on you, but the shields would be much better used for something else.
I'm not yet convinced there can be a penalty for pillaging in neutral terrain, but I'll keep your comments in mind.
Snarkhunter
Prince
Ah, actually, the AI uses privateers all the time in my games, sometimes quite large fleets--certainly when I sink them, they just build more to keep up.
I only build them for my own amusement & consider them a waste of time otherwise.
kk
Yeah, I've seen the AI use them too. Not often, but occasionally I go through a rash of AI Privateers.
The Professor
Emperor
Yeah, I recently saw a privateer come out of a city, attack an old galley of mine, and then go back into the city. And my so-called "ally" didn't think I could figure out who did it?
What really pisses me off about that is I can't let them know that I know like they can let me know that they know when my privateer sinks some of their boats.
capnvonbaron
Democratia gladii
Yes, but... do you know if they know that you could know who's really attacking you, even though you know and I know that you do know? I think no... 
capnvonbaron
Democratia gladii
that was a philosophical question 
capnvonbaron
Democratia gladii
phiLOLsophical 
mickyd47
Resident Lurker
I think the AI knows who attacks them because I made a hidden nationality nukes and used them and the AI declares war on me for it.
capnvonbaron
Democratia gladii
lol... well, I doubt they have time to look at the colors of the flag painted on the side of your ICBM before it screams back into the atmosphere at 10x the speed of sound and ends their city in nuclear holocaust 
Besides, IRL we would know who launched nukes at us based on seeing launch signatures and radar-tracing the missile path back to the launch point. Assuming a declaration of war wasn't announced first.
Its as obvious as watching a pirate ship sail out of port, attack your ship, then sail back in, or sail out from behind an enemy stack of ships and do the same.
Besides, IRL we would know who launched nukes at us based on seeing launch signatures and radar-tracing the missile path back to the launch point. Assuming a declaration of war wasn't announced first.Its as obvious as watching a pirate ship sail out of port, attack your ship, then sail back in, or sail out from behind an enemy stack of ships and do the same.
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