Canals --- Where are they???

[golddigger]

Why is there no way to biuld a "Canal" in any Civ., Colonization, or Alpha Centauri; (or even the Call To Power's)? At least in Civ.1 you could build cities next to each other with a city @ ea. end of the group having access to a body of water and they funtion as a canal. (In Colonization you could not even enter a lake or 'land-locked-sea' with a ship.

Canals have been in use by the current progression of civilization for no less then 6,000 years. Canals connected the Tigris & Euphrates of the Sumer / Babylonia / Chaldi / Persa, et al.. Cananl brought ships form the Persain Golf to acient Babylon & later to Baghdad. The earliest Kings of Egypt had their own canal across the isms of Suez. They used canals to portage the rappeds of the upper Nile. They used canals in shallow areas of the Nile delta. The Romens used canals in Rome & other parts of their empire. Pre-Romens; Romens; and mostly every ruller since (including Charlimain, Frederic The Great, The Kizers', even Hitler) wanted to, and tried to, connect the Rine & The Danube at their closess areas.
Atlantis (~20,000 to ~10,000 B. C.) used many canals to connect waters-ways to the sea as well as each other. Mo (~60,000+ B. C.) used canals. Early Meso-Amc. cultures in North & South Amc. used canals for irigation & transport at least as far back as 9,000 B. C.. The ancient canals did not have to connect waters with a city at each end.

Canals have been used in Asia; The Fertal Cresent; Asia Minor; North, Central, & East Africa; all of Europe; Russa; Britania (U.K.); Euro & Latian Amc.; even to the present day. But not in any Civ./MPS product. Canal building is as old a tech. as road building. Canals; irigation; roads;& mining are the pillers on which civilization has been built. But not in any Civ./MPS product!!
Not in any Civ./MPS product!!!!
In ancient times as even now: other means of transportation, irrigation, farming, towns, cities, all manor of civilization can be found gracing the banks of canals. But not in any Civ./MPS product!!!!!! Can this 'OVERSITE' be corrected?; can a pacth be made of each of the other older Civ./MPS product?

As I look at it, a square of canal should take no longer to build then a square of irigation. It realy should not take much longer then road building. It should be a 'start-up' or very early tech., it should be a starting tech along with road building. It could come with Masonory or Construction, but it should be with road building. The ability to builds 'locks' (pullies, levers, et al -- i.e. Mathmatics) coulld be needed to build cananl through Montains (maybe even hills) but the Chillains of 9,000 years B. C. built transport & irigation cancls from the Andes to the coastal planes. Atlantians built canals through their mountians (which some think could have been the Andes) over 18,000 B. C.. So 'locks' are justified too.

Well that is my thoughts on canals for now; I would like to see then added to all the civ / MPS et al., products. Or have some one creat a patch to add to each product to add canals. I hope that this was the right place to post this posting. thanks to all who read & to all who respond;

 

[andy52584]

I must totaly agree. I've wanted canals since Civ1(I didnt like building cities too close together) They SHOULD incorporate canals into the games.

 

[Apollo]

And something related to this that they should allow is the ability to claim land from water. With the different water types in Civ3 they could allow you to turn coast tiles into land, but restrict you from doing it to sea and ocean squares. Of course, this may not be possible, and The Netherlands may just be a figment of our imaginations...

 

[golddigger]

Originally posted by Apollo
And something related to this that they should allow is the ability to claim land from water. With the different water types in Civ3 they could allow you to turn coast tiles into land, but restrict you from doing it to sea and ocean squares. Of course, this may not be possible, and The Netherlands may just be a figment of our imaginations...

RIGHT ON !!! RIGHT ON !!!
You are exactly right.

Lake & Coastal land-reclaimation needs to be part of Civ just as cannels needs to be. It should be no later then the discovery of Construction. But I think it should be with the discorery of Masonory. Cannels should be a begianing skill or at least with Bronze Working, but no later then Masonory. The re-claiming of a coastal area that reclaims up to a 'Sea' tile should alow one sea tile to become a 'coast' tile. this could be limited to a one time event, or it could be a continuing - progresseve progect. I'm all for endless land re-claiming. But there is no question about it, land reclaimation needs to be part of Civ.. :grad:


Before they became The Netherlands, the Tribe of Zebula fished of the costs of Israel, Juda, & Lebaden. Earlier, while the Hebrew (Medianittes & later the Israelittes) were the "Shepherd Kings" that ruled in Egypt; before an Egyptian King recaptured the Lower Kingdom; some reclimation was done in the delta and coastal area. Before and after the 2nd Millennia BC land-reclimation was done in areas from Egypt, the Fertile Crescent, Asia Minor, Pursia, to India.

I dought it can be determended whether the Hebrews or other Semmittes & Jebbites TOUGHT reclaimation to the world as they migrated out of the Adamic World; or learnt it from the much older pre-Adamic races. But is it true that in all the lands that they would travel through (from India, west China, Mesopoyamia, Asia Minor, Southeastern Europe, Canaan, even Egypt) all became accustom to using crop rotation; cannels; irrigation; animal husbandry; & land-reclaimation by the end of the 2nd Mal. BC. And there after used some or all of these skills.

There are some who claim that ALL the advaces from (stone age) Nomadism to Civilization came through the Adamic (Aryan) race. Much has, but 'Lake land-reclaimation' was done in centeral Europe at least 5000 to 7000 years ago; maybe even before then; no acient Adammittes (later called Aryans) are thought to have started to migrate into Europe before 2500 BC.. The 10 tribes and other catives peoples of the Assyrians did not cross the Caucasus Mts. and become Caucasians (Celts, Saxians, Surbs, et al) until the 5th cen. BC.. Both migrations were after reclaimation begain in Ct. Europe.


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