Cancelling a MA

[sadu]

This happened to me the other day. Let's say for arguments sake it's a world map and I'm aztec, have america to the north and Iroquois north of them (this wasnt the case but its easier to explain).

My only source of iron is between america and Iroquios territory so I zoom a settler up there and grab it.

Iroquois declared war on me several turns later. Because I don't want America doing the same, I sign a Military alliance with them, with a ROP and a few gold to sweeten the deal.

About 10 turns in, I realise that Iroquois have enough swordsmen at my door to take my little iron city if he wanted to. Iroquois rings me up and demands peace for x gold. I pay this because it's better than losing my iron city.

As I leave the diplo screen, America is telling me to remove my forces from his land or declare war.

Obviously, our ROP agreement is no longer valid. As I understand it, I have violated the MA by making peace with iroquois within the 20 turns (and would take a rep hit?). But I wouldn't have thought this would apply to the ROP as well. There was no "would you like to renew our ROP", it was just "Get out Now".

Would I have been better off making 2 deals instead of one eg...

Deal 1 = ROP
Deal 2 = MA + gold

instead of
Deal 1 = ROP + MA + gold

This isn't all that important, I'm just interested if anyone knows how this works

 

[zeon252]

The ROP was attached already to the other deal. Therefore if a party breaks the deal on any front, the whole thing is off.

 

[Zakharov]

Making two separate deals would have kept the ROP going, but you would still lose your rep for breaking the MA.

 

[greekguy]

It doesn't really matter if you have the RoP or not now because America is now pissed off. You would just have an angry AI who could walk through your territory. It's better to do things in diplo one thing at a time anyway, as this proves.

 

[sadu]

In this particular case I needed the ROP to build a road through his swamp and connect to my iron. As soon as the ROP finished, he wouldn't allow my workers in his land any longer

In hindsight, it would have been easier just to declare war on america than go through all the complex politics.

But it's good to know that deals are treated as a whole, rather than by their individual items. Thanks for the feedback.