CCM3 Epic Mod

[Civinator]

Thanks for the detailed answer.

Maybe the solution for now is to play with 10-12, max 15 civs, with no settlers production, so that you can have a medium of 35-50 cities per civs (which is reasonable ) and then you have to conquest.

This belongs to the size of the map you want to play and the placement of the starting locations of the civs.

Which file have I to modify in order to stop production of settlers and stop trading technology?

Settlers: Simply in the CCM 3 biq set the motorized settler so that no civ can have it.
Techs: The No Trade option must be enabled for every single tech in the game (Red arrow).

How can I reactive the sea and ocean trade for resources?

If you mean the trade over sea- and ocean tiles it is enough that they are enabled each by one tech in the game. In the CCM 3 the current techs that enable both options are marked by a special info icon in the techboxes of the techtrees.

The function that enables those options in a tech are marked by blue arrows in the screenshot above.

Btw.: Here is a screenshot of Japan (with placed cities) in my prototype of a CCM (and AoI) earth map:

 

[Esul12]

Thank you for all your answers.
Regarding the Sea-Ocean trade, I was alerted by a Civpedia entry (attachment screen, first sentence...or maybe I don't understand the sense ), but it seems it works when discovering some proper tech.

I'm aware that the No Tech Trade change a bit the game balance.
I think that with the "trade tech spam" between Civs sometimes the game it goes too fast considering the fantastic deepth of each era, and mostly, if a civ or some civs loss some exchange they remain fatally backward (e.g. in my Japan game there are two asiatic civs who are at the end of era 2, me and the other at the begin-medium era 2, and then 3 civs that still have to complete some era 1 techs). I think that this situation could be more problematic in a very big map.

So, I'm allowing myself to test several and personal microadjustment in order to try to avoid this situation (No Tech Trade except the cultural ones --> lower tech cost in Era 1, faster civilization at the beginning, and other) and also to deal with this enormous map (e.g. two starting settlers, faster road, stronger fortification def bonus to use them strategically, stronger nat res output, etc.)

In another game I've started with those change, it seems the tech path is good for now, playing on a Demigod difficulty so that AI is faster in all.

I'll let you know the results if you interested!

 

[Civinator]

The first sentence in that civilopedia entry is obsolete since a longer time. These were old settings before the C3X mod made a massive overwhole in the programming of the trade system that is working better than the old complete disabling of sea- and ocean trade. Thank you very much for reporting that obsolete sentence in the civilopedia entry.

 

[Obibiber]

Thank you for all your answers.
Regarding the Sea-Ocean trade, I was alerted by a Civpedia entry (attachment screen, first sentence...or maybe I don't understand the sense ), but it seems it works when discovering some proper tech.

I'm aware that the No Tech Trade change a bit the game balance.
I think that with the "trade tech spam" between Civs sometimes the game it goes too fast considering the fantastic deepth of each era, and mostly, if a civ or some civs loss some exchange they remain fatally backward (e.g. in my Japan game there are two asiatic civs who are at the end of era 2, me and the other at the begin-medium era 2, and then 3 civs that still have to complete some era 1 techs). I think that this situation could be more problematic in a very big map.

So, I'm allowing myself to test several and personal microadjustment in order to try to avoid this situation (No Tech Trade except the cultural ones --> lower tech cost in Era 1, faster civilization at the beginning, and other) and also to deal with this enormous map (e.g. two starting settlers, faster road, stronger fortification def bonus to use them strategically, stronger nat res output, etc.)

In another game I've started with those change, it seems the tech path is good for now, playing on a Demigod difficulty so that AI is faster in all.

I'll let you know the results if you interested!

Hey,

would you possibly want to send me the card? im looking for a world map with correct starting positions for soooo long

thx

 

[Esul12]

Hey,

would you possibly want to send me the card? im looking for a world map with correct starting positions for soooo long

thx

I'm working on it. Actually I'm testing some things, minor adjustment for a so big map, and a balancing for a no tech trade, and the Civs are still messing up...my focus is on balancing the starting position distance between Civs for the game experience, rather than historically accuracy, but maybe in some weeks there will be some finished BIQ

And I will post this combination (CCM3 - Giant Earth Map) only if Civinator and the creator of the map will be agree with that, since I'm doing some changes...

 

[Civinator]

I made several combination tests with interesting worldmaps some years ago - among them also a combination of CCM and the Giant Earth Map. Of course you can post your efforts here and the creator of that map, Yoda Power, wrote that he agrees, too.

In my eyes there are two problems with that combination:

1. The movement restrictions of terrain in the Giant Earth Map is not harmonizing with CCM 3 (wheeled flag for forests and so on).

2. So the map is called "Giant", in my eyes it is too small for CCM 3.

My favourite is still the earth map with an enlarged Europe created by Aeldrik and Celku. I made a thread about this project many years ago, with tons of very nice screenshots, linked from the former SOC site. Unfortunately with the closing of the SOC site, all these images are gone, but I think that on one of my old harddrives I have copies of those screenshots. If I find them and can reinstall those screenshots, I will post a link here to that thread.

In the last days I worked on that map again and I posted some current screenshots in a Civ 7 thread, why the civ devs seem to like no TSL earth maps, showing fans of Civ 5, 6 and 7 that in Civ 3 it is still possible to create big earth maps where per example Japan has enough room to breath, and is not reduced to a "two tiles island".

Post in thread 'Why does civ franchise not seem to care about TSL Earth maps?'

Jun 26, 2025

Civ usually favors Wide over Tall, so you can’t have more than one or two European civs at the most.
Meanwhile Japan is like a two hex island.

This must not be true. Here you can see screenshots with parts of central Europe and Japan in the world map I am still working on for the Civ 3 mod CCM 3 (31 civs allowed). Each building (represented by Civ 2 graphics) is marking a location that can be settled by that mod.

Spoiler :

Here you can see some of the names of cities founded in those locations in Europe:

... and here is a screenshot of the...

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This is an interesting thread, so it is in the Civ 7 forums, the topic belongs to all versions of the civ series - among them of course Civ 3.

 

[Civinator]

I was able to reload some of the lost screenshots about the CCM World Map. You can find them here:

Post in thread 'Civ2 cities resurrected'

Dec 10, 2006

For better understanding about my resource-cities in my last post, I concentrate here my screenshots of them that were spread in a lot of different threads (and add some new ).

All these cities are resources. In the first era, all city graphics are set to transparency.

Edit: The following screenshots were all linked to the former SOC site and therefore with the closing of the SOC site were all gone. Fortunately I have a backup of these screenshots and therefore I was able to reconstruct them:

China/Korea:

China /Mongolia:

Silkroad:

South...

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Please remember, that those screenshots were done nearly 20 years ago and now some things are looking even better.

 

[Esul12]

I'm encountering a strange error, after I install and play Civ III + CCM3 on a new PC: when I end a turn and there is the first battle, after a second the game freeze and restart only when the new turn starts, so that I can't see neither that battle result, neither other battles or moves from other players.
I can't fugure out what can be, I tried several preference settings (the last attached) but it seems a graphical issue related to battle or enemies mov.
Someone have some ideas?
Thanks

 

[Civinator]

This can happen, when the interturn timer in the scenario config file of the mod C3X is still enabled during a normal CCM 3 game with C3X.

 

[Esul12]

This can happen, when the interturn timer in the scenario config file of the mod C3X is still enabled during a normal CCM 3 game with C3X.

Should I change this on C3X config?

replay_ai_moves_in_hotseat_games = false ---> true

...or this?

measure_turn_times = false ---> true


The problem affects also my battles, when I start them in my turn: they are not shown regularly, but only the first round

 

[LKendter]

Do you have Window's task manager running? I've often lost seeing the interturn if that is up. No idea why it interferes with Civ3

 

[Civinator]

The interturn measuring in C3X displays a popup after each turn has been processed, showing the time elapsed, including specifically how much time was spent recomputing trade networks. Turning this on will skip all animations during the interturn so they don't contribute to the time. You aren't meant to play the game with this option left on. If the option "measure_turn_times" = false, than there is no measuring.

If it is set to false (standard setting), there should be no skip of the animations by this option. I thought you could have enabled this option to true after that question short time ago. Control both settings in the C3X config file and the C3X scenario config.Ini.

Otherwise you should set all animations in the game preferences to be enabled and see if this can help.

 

[Esul12]

I solved playing in compatibility mode with Windows XP Service Pack 3

 

[Civinator]

I solved playing in compatibility mode with Windows XP Service Pack 3

To answer those technical questions becomes more and more a game of hazard for me. One can learn more and more (here for me the effect of the task master) and nothing of them was the reason. The good thing is that the problem is solved (by something completly different).

 

[MilsB]

Hello!
Which version of C3X is compatible with CCM 3 and additionally with RARR?
C3X has reached version 24...
Thanks for the help!

 

[Civinator]

You made the same post in the C3X thread and that´s where it is belonging to. I have no informations about any problems here, if C3X is played with a version of Civ 3 Complete that is bought at GOG or steam.

 

[MilsB]

You made the same post in the C3X thread and that´s where it is belonging to. I have no informations about any problems here, if C3X is played with a version of Civ 3 Complete that is bought at GOG or steam.

This is not the same post! There I exposed a problem I'm facing, here I just asked which version is compatible with CCM/RARR!
For your information I bought C3C GOG, I also have the original game on CD/DVD so please stop with the insinuations!
Thanks for the help!

 

[Civinator]

Your question was answered and you know that there is a reason why I wrote the answer as it is.

 

[MilsB]

Your question was answered and you know that there is a reason why I wrote the answer as it is.

Okay, maybe I didn't express myself correctly... I wanted to know what version of the C3X file with INI adapted for CCM3/RARR, you are using!
Otherwise...can I also know what is this reason that you insinuate that I would know what it is about?
Thank you very much for your understanding!

 

[Civinator]

As it seems you here still have a "very weak memory", I remember you that the moderators of CFC deleted a post of you and my reply about the source where you have downloaded Civ 3 Complete "for free". That site offers more than 170 partly still high prized games "for free" that never were give-aways at GOG - and this should give enough reason to reflect, if this is really the commercial site of GOG. Not every site, that has the letters gog in its name is GOG.

Your exe of Civ 3 Complete that you are still operating, is not recognized as a legal exe from GOG. You posted that problem some time later, after the CFC moderator deleted your post with the name of that dubious site, in the RARR thread again:

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/rise-and-rule-revisited-epic-mod.549166/page-85#post-16818326
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/rise-and-rule-revisited-epic-mod.549166/page-85#post-16818361

Even if you now have bought Civ 3 Complete at the real GOG site (where it was in the last sales for 99 cents) it seems you are still operating the exe from that dubious site. No one but you can have a look what that exe from that dubious site really did with your pc, even if you now should have bought a version from the real GOG site. At least I would clean up all remants in the pc of that dubious version and not forget the virtual store if you are operating your pc with window versions including win 10.

So your posts are written very politly, this kind of always reappearing posts about always the same problem coming from playing with a very dubious exe, is annoying me extremely, as they have nothing to do with my mods and scenarios and the replies are consuming my precious time, that I can use better otherwise.

And to answer your new question: I use C3X v.23 without any problems.